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This will be an interesting thread moving forward......

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Welder Dave said:
Not every employer takes references with a grain of salt. The privacy act protects the employer too. If the employer were to blurt out confidential info. on a former employee could get them in a lot of trouble. There was case years ago where an ex of an employee was stalking him. They called his former employer who blurted out where he went to work. Some employers would give negative reviews in an attempt to keep the person from getting a job. A reference letter or a signed release is more likely to get a positive reference. Just being able to call up any former employee could open a can of worms. There are many circumstances a former employer could give a negative reference that isn't deserved. In Vetech's case with such poor maintenance on machines, what if an employee was told to keep running a machine that clearly had an issue and the machine had a catastrophic failure. The foreman or boss reams the employee out blaming them for the failure. The employee quits over it and applies elsewhere. The new potential employer calls the former employer and they're still blaming the employee for something that wasn't his fault and give the most negative reference they can. Does the employ deserve to not get hired because of it? It's easy to say it's a stupid law if you've never been denied a job because of an employer with a grudge. Can't give a reference is 1 thing. Saying everything possible to prevent a former employee from getting another job is another thing.
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Once again, free speech, and more importantly the fact that the government has NO RIGHT OR POWER to infringe on my right to say what I want, trumps any single case of a wrong being committed.

"Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas."

Stop focusing on small minds and see the greater good!
 
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77Ford said:
I don't think it's illegal to give a bad reference (at least here) it's just asking for trouble. We typically just go with the worked these dates, made this amount of money and is or is not available for re-hire.
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Agreed - even if it's not illegal, it's just good business to give the basics regardless of the circumstances.
 
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ianjoub said:
Once again, free speech, and more importantly the fact that the government has NO RIGHT OR POWER to infringe on my right to say what I want, trumps any single case of a wrong being committed.

"Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas."

Stop focusing on small minds and see the greater good!
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I am a big proponent of Free Speech and its restriction on government.

However can we tone it down a notch or two in this thread?
 
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V tech where does one find a temp agency with an LMM that can mechanic I think I need one of those cause I only have a OAH (one armed houlagan) as a mechanic cause I can't ever put the phone down when under something an LMM would be a massive improvement
 
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As was stated in Ahart's thread, if an employer says something false not carrying if it's false could land them in trouble. Some bad employers will want to punish some employee's as much as they can when their employment ends. The best policy is if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything but the time the person worked there. No need to elaborate any more than that. The employee is no longer with you so why do you care where they go.
 
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ianjoub said:
Once again, free speech, and more importantly the fact that the government has NO RIGHT OR POWER to infringe on my right to say what I want, trumps any single case of a wrong being committed.

"Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas."

Stop focusing on small minds and see the greater good!
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What if an employer told a prospective employer a former worker was a drunk just to make it almost impossible for that employee to get another job and there was no basis at all for it? Reminds me of the National Enquirer getting sued big time for saying Carol Burnett was drunk. She doesn't drink. Free speech doesn't trump false statements.
 
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Welder Dave said:
No need to elaborate any more than that. The employee is no longer with you so why do you care where they go.
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Dave,

I am not trying to pick on you. Please do not take this personally.

I am an employer. I am also a landlord.

When I give references, I do so as I hope to get them in return. I am not the landlord that tells the next one that my tenant is perfect so I can dump my problem on them. I am not the former employer that wants my 'competition' to fail and recommend a loser to affect that.

I tell the truth. I expect the same in return. I do not need to lie. I won't lie by omission either.

Can you tell me a lie of omission is better than a lie about a person's actual performance?

P.S.

Sorry CM, I tried to stay out.
 
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What if an employer told a prospective employer a former worker was a drunk just to make it almost impossible for that employee to get another job and there was no basis at all for it? Reminds me of the National Enquirer getting sued big time for saying Carol Burnett was drunk. She doesn't drink. Free speech doesn't trump false statements
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If one guy rode his tricycle tire over someone else's toe, no child should ever be able to ride a tricycle again...
 
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Looks like you guys have been having fun! LOL I'm staying out of the reference scenario.

Got to visit with LMM a bit more yesterday. He is feeling a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I told him to not get discouraged and hang in there. I also told him.............oh, you aint seen nothing yet! Seems to me he doesn't want to say no to any of Alans requests, but you can't be at 5 places at one time. Welcome to my world!
 
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Tell him one step at a time baby

And you might tell him to tell alanthat while he's still new he has to do one job at a time otherwise might be afraid of messing something up, when he gets off of Tim status until full-time status he will be better situated to doing emergency jobs and then getting back to where he was.
 
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ianjoub said:
P.S.

Sorry CM, I tried to stay out.
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No need to apologize to me or any other mod that tries to keep the Forum decorum.

We have one of these when things get really out of hand -

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If anyone wants to argue employer/employee issues not pertaining to Vtech's thread, then start you own thread so it won't derail this one.

Thanks in advance. :cool:
 
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