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What's your hoe doing?

NH575E

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If it's like our e series machines the first point.for potential restriction is at the sediment bowl. I added a small engine filter at that point since the factory design goes straight from the tank to the bowl.

I fought with a fuel restriction problem for a couple weeks when I first got my hoe before I found that pea size clog in the banjo bolt.
 

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Leaving the block heater plugged in won't hurt anything on the engine. Just the electricity to run it. We have 2 tractors and a loader that stay plugged in for 8 hours or so every day. We have a guy that comes in at midnight to feed cattle and that equipment has to start for him, and no one is available to plug them in an hour or two before they need to start. So, they get plugged in around 4 or 5pm when we head home so we know they'll be ready for the night guy.
For 20 dollars you can buy a Wi-Fi outlet that you can turn on remotely or set up a schedule for on and off and they work great.
I have a Ministon and schedule it 7 days a week right now from 4 am to 8 am so it is ready every morning.
 

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After many years of hesitation about timers, especially for the power draw of a block heater finally bit the bullet this year and bought a timer. Got the old rotary style for $17 from Lowes. One of the best moves ever. No heat at the timer or GFI. If need the hoe for big snow fall or really crappy weather (cab is awesome when 15 degrees and blowing 20mph) plug in night before set from 9-12 am. By time I poop and have some breakfast, engine is warm and ready to fire. PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE: Fuel system health is a year round job, not just when it doesn't work. ;)
 

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Thanks guys. I've got remote controlled power but currently it's hooked up to some stuff in the shop. I'll have to get another. I guess I should run one out there and test that the range goes that far first.

Also, what I took away from Swetz's post was Hot Shots and Peak are the ones to keep an eye out for, and hope it doesn't gel.
 

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Since you have power you could get a cheap heat gun and warm up the filters, fuel lines and injection pump. If you've been using Howes your fuel may not be gelled. It sounds more like a blockage. If it was gelled it likely would have never started in the first place. Once running the fuel is circulated back to the tank and warms up. Running for 15 minutes doesn't sound like gelled fuel. Although it's a much bigger engine I was shocked at how much fuel was pumped on my dump truck with an M11. Had a 4 litre clear bottle to bypass the fuel tank. Sucked it empty in less than 45 seconds. There's a lot fuel recycled back to the tank in 30 seconds. 15 minutes I think should have thawed any suspected gelled fuel. It would be different if it had known summer diesel with no treatment and came out of a heated garage and died. Even then it would have to be really cold and a backhoe isn't driving 60 MPH creating a huge windchill to keep things cold.
 

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Yep agree Dave, running for 15 minutes, pretty much everything should have been pretty warm.
Even hydraulics as the oil cooler returns right to tank.
My Case the other day had the filter light on for quite a bit, until I actually started using the hydraulics, filter has las than 6 hours on it.
The wind has been kicked our ass for a couple of weeks.
 

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Thanks guys. I've got remote controlled power but currently it's hooked up to some stuff in the shop. I'll have to get another. I guess I should run one out there and test that the range goes that far first.

Also, what I took away from Swetz's post was Hot Shots and Peak are the ones to keep an eye out for, and hope it doesn't gel.
Range should have nothing to do with it as it’s Wi-Fi but not an expert on that.
I just set up the Minoston outlet in the house and plugged it in on the side of the garage and good to go.
I actually put one on my split unit so I can turn the heat up from anywhere, anytime.
 

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Still sitting in the driveway. Wasn't able to make it anywhere beyond the driveway until this morning and didn't feel like with messing around in the wind and snow. I'll check it out this afternoon when I get home.
 

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She's in the barn!

I took the fuel filter off, dumped it, I couldn't tell if anything seemed wrong with the fuel in there, and put an ounce or two of hot shots in there. Plugged it in for maybe 2 hours. It struggled to start but did after three tries. I was nervous so I ripped into the barn and parked it.

Not sure how to test in the future? Fire it up and leave it be for a bit? Maybe run hydraulics through their paces a bit? How do you trust it doesn't die half a mile down the road?
 

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I would add some fuel conditioner and after watching that video, you pick, because I have always used the white power service, add it and start it up in barn and set idle at 1200 and let it run for 30 minutes and shut it off for an hour, try and drain any water from the tank, refill with good winter blend and you should be all set.
Generally, before winter, I will use a suck bucket or brake bleeder and stick hose directly on bottom of the tank and suck up a quart or so of fuel and let it set in a mason jar and wait a day or so and see how much water was in the tank, just for winter maintenance and what to expect.
This is usually an issue with machines that don’t see much use.
 

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Another real good video. Not sure why, but it will not let me link it. Just search this on You tube.

THIS Is The TRUTH About Diesel Additives...​

 
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They also make a product K-100D that will mix with any water in your system and burn it through, but tank has to be warm enough for any water to be liquid. Not to be confused with isopropyl(dry gas) that does not mix with and burn the water. Notice K-100D not K-100G, there is a potion for Gas as well the G denotes gas. Stuff is available at most parts stores and does work provided all water is in liquid form.
 
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I forgot to listen to the check-for-water advice but went out and dumped an ounce or two of the Hot Shots in the fuel tank, gave her a vigorous stir with a bamboo stick and the hoe seemed to run pretty well. I was quite surprised to get nearly stuck, just up on some unlevel snow at the end of my driveway. Even in 4wd I was spinning more than I'd expected. It wasn't really bad but some spinning was surprising.
 

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I forgot to listen to the check-for-water advice but went out and dumped an ounce or two of the Hot Shots in the fuel tank, gave her a vigorous stir with a bamboo stick and the hoe seemed to run pretty well. I was quite surprised to get nearly stuck, just up on some unlevel snow at the end of my driveway. Even in 4wd I was spinning more than I'd expected. It wasn't really bad but some spinning was surprising.
My first backhoe around 2000 was a two wheel drive JD 410. I reasoned a 14000 LB machine would push snow without tire chains. My lot is more level than most of Vermont. Town road (paved) climbs a hill, but each neighbor has a terraced lot. No driveways I plow are steep. My driveway is level, but raised above the adjacent lawn a few feet.
First snow I got a lesson. In a second I was in the lawn! Went that day & bought tire chains.
 

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All depends on what you have for conditions when plowing snow.
Sometimes I just make ice and get to do the tilt a whirl, with a 15k lb machine. Sometimes it comes right up. Worst case is when the snow is wet and the ground is frozen, turns into a skateboard.
 
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