HarleyHappy
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For the price, it looks like a good machine. I would buy it, if it checked out decent, especially at that price point.
It would depend on the emissions.
It would depend on the emissions.
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Buffallobull
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In addition to an excavator I suspect I’ll need a dozer as well. Found this guy not to far away. Might be too big but dang looks nice for its age,
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Welder Dave
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From everything I've read a D155A is near impossible to get parts for especially the engine. The seller may just be trying to get there money back on the undercarriage.
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A 155 is a pretty big dozer. Not on FB so no comment on the actual machine.
Just remember the bigger the iron the bigger the repair costs. Go price a 2" hydro hose compared to a 3/4 or 1" for instance.
Just remember the bigger the iron the bigger the repair costs. Go price a 2" hydro hose compared to a 3/4 or 1" for instance.
HarleyHappy
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That thing seems like a good machine for the money. As long as you can keep it running and get your use out of, more than likely, you will get all your money back out of it. How far is it from your land?
Buffallobull
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214 miles
skyking1
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I'd spend the extra cabbage on that 314 blade runner, and rent a dozer when you were ready to tune up your rough works. Rent a 6 way and smooth it all out and done.
Willie B
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I have a Case 580 Super N backhoe, a Dresser TD7G dozer, A GMC Top Kick with dump. Meets my needs.
Mobility is important to me. 100 acres takes a while to walk a track excavator, backhoe can travel 20 MPH or more. Backhoe is loader & excavator.
I sure wouldn't mind having an 8 ton excavator & track loader, but I'd spend more time moving them.
I often tell a story: I'm an electrician, own the equipment to place underground conduits. A customer of mine rents machines from 2 hours away. Says the local company rents machines in poor condition.
He wanted a hole 15 feet square, 5' deep. He wanted the surfaces flat enough to pour concrete directly into. Dirt removed was to be placed on a terrace 200 yards away. I told him I could do it cheaper. He would need four round trips to Albany NY with his Ford F350 & trailer to rent & return an excavator & track loader, 16 hours hauling.
I brought my backhoe in on a trailer. It was readied, hitched up, and loaded before the morning. I hauled, dug, got out the laser & flattened the bottom suitable for concrete, moved the spoils, and hauled the machine home in one day.
Mobility is important to me. 100 acres takes a while to walk a track excavator, backhoe can travel 20 MPH or more. Backhoe is loader & excavator.
I sure wouldn't mind having an 8 ton excavator & track loader, but I'd spend more time moving them.
I often tell a story: I'm an electrician, own the equipment to place underground conduits. A customer of mine rents machines from 2 hours away. Says the local company rents machines in poor condition.
He wanted a hole 15 feet square, 5' deep. He wanted the surfaces flat enough to pour concrete directly into. Dirt removed was to be placed on a terrace 200 yards away. I told him I could do it cheaper. He would need four round trips to Albany NY with his Ford F350 & trailer to rent & return an excavator & track loader, 16 hours hauling.
I brought my backhoe in on a trailer. It was readied, hitched up, and loaded before the morning. I hauled, dug, got out the laser & flattened the bottom suitable for concrete, moved the spoils, and hauled the machine home in one day.
skyking1
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right tools for the job.
Buffallobull
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Thanks for that perspective! If/ when have to run power to the house site what would that look like cost wise? In ground vs overhead? I’ve been trying to get the local power company to talk to me but I just leave messages and they have yet to call me back.
Willie B
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Your State will have different rules. No set formula to calculate, whether it is your electrician, or the power company the answer is the same. They, or I calculate material cost, estimate labor cost, hope all goes smoothly. Years of experience have taught me only a fool bids assuming all will go smoothly.
A number of years ago I was allowed to install primary underground. In my world, primary underground is either 7200, or 14500 volts. I could beat the power company's overhead cost. Here, electricians aren't allowed to build overhead lines at primary voltage.
Recent years, Green Mountain Power has big influence with State Lawmakers, I can't run primary voltage underground. I can only place conduit & transformer bases, ground rings. Most recent primary I ran cost $12,000 for me, $36,000 for Green Mountain Power. Their share of the project took 5 minutes one day, three hours another day, later in the day a different two people spent an hour to set a transformer.
Here, everything after the transformer of underground is the electrician.
Your State likely has different rules.
Your electrician likely runs secondary voltage. From the transformer we are limited by physics to about 625 feet. As homes have gotten exponentially more power hungry, that distance has shortened. In 1969 we powered a typical home with 100 amps, only exception to that were the few houses with resistance electric heat. Homes today have heat pumps, electric car chargers, point of use water heaters, induction ranges, hot tubs, pools, ventilation systems using 100 amps. My smallest house to date with 400 amp service is 1600 square feet, 1-1/2 bedroom.
A number of years ago I was allowed to install primary underground. In my world, primary underground is either 7200, or 14500 volts. I could beat the power company's overhead cost. Here, electricians aren't allowed to build overhead lines at primary voltage.
Recent years, Green Mountain Power has big influence with State Lawmakers, I can't run primary voltage underground. I can only place conduit & transformer bases, ground rings. Most recent primary I ran cost $12,000 for me, $36,000 for Green Mountain Power. Their share of the project took 5 minutes one day, three hours another day, later in the day a different two people spent an hour to set a transformer.
Here, everything after the transformer of underground is the electrician.
Your State likely has different rules.
Your electrician likely runs secondary voltage. From the transformer we are limited by physics to about 625 feet. As homes have gotten exponentially more power hungry, that distance has shortened. In 1969 we powered a typical home with 100 amps, only exception to that were the few houses with resistance electric heat. Homes today have heat pumps, electric car chargers, point of use water heaters, induction ranges, hot tubs, pools, ventilation systems using 100 amps. My smallest house to date with 400 amp service is 1600 square feet, 1-1/2 bedroom.
Buffallobull
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Thanks for all that, every time I start to think I know a little about something someone comes along and illuminates just how ignorant about stuff I really am! Always learning something new! Gotta figure out PA’s rules.
skyking1
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It is more granular than that. It is your power company's rules.
They run the show on their gear.
In my case they will not run secondary from the transformer to a meter more than 150'.
It could go farther but they won't do it to a meter. It is on me to extend past the meter.
I will have to buy a transformer and pad, and a fuse pedestal at a minimum.
I can dig the primary trench for them and they will lay the conduit and primary to the transformer at a reasonable rate per foot, last I checked.
My situation is shaping up to be about 500' of primary and only 70' to the house from the transformer.
I will have excellent voltage
They run the show on their gear.
In my case they will not run secondary from the transformer to a meter more than 150'.
It could go farther but they won't do it to a meter. It is on me to extend past the meter.
I will have to buy a transformer and pad, and a fuse pedestal at a minimum.
I can dig the primary trench for them and they will lay the conduit and primary to the transformer at a reasonable rate per foot, last I checked.
My situation is shaping up to be about 500' of primary and only 70' to the house from the transformer.
I will have excellent voltage
HarleyHappy
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Here, they limit the pull from the pole to 550’, any more than that and they have had too much trouble pulling, I put mule tape in for surety.
If it has to be more than 550’, they require D boxes every 500’.
When I did my house, they required steel conduit and long sweeps at the pole and long sweeps at the transformer pad that I bought and grounded, right at 550’. Then another 150’ to the meter.
They required no expansion joints, though I put 4 in anyway.
I dug the trench, got it inspected and ran my own conduit.
It was 25% cheaper than their 4 to 5 pole quote.
They required no sand for backfill, though I did do a 100’ where I had to bust through some rotten ledge.
The power company here was very good working with me and even gave me a pamphlet on how to do the sweeps and transformer pad with 2 ground rods with wire.
I also added 3 2” conduits for media and security and a 4th at a bar way for a driveway dinger.
The tracer electrical conduit tape was expensive and required.
If it has to be more than 550’, they require D boxes every 500’.
When I did my house, they required steel conduit and long sweeps at the pole and long sweeps at the transformer pad that I bought and grounded, right at 550’. Then another 150’ to the meter.
They required no expansion joints, though I put 4 in anyway.
I dug the trench, got it inspected and ran my own conduit.
It was 25% cheaper than their 4 to 5 pole quote.
They required no sand for backfill, though I did do a 100’ where I had to bust through some rotten ledge.
The power company here was very good working with me and even gave me a pamphlet on how to do the sweeps and transformer pad with 2 ground rods with wire.
I also added 3 2” conduits for media and security and a 4th at a bar way for a driveway dinger.
The tracer electrical conduit tape was expensive and required.
Buffallobull
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Hi all, I’ve been silent for a while so here is an update. Almost nothing has been done! The permit application and process procedures is mind numbing and I still don’t think I have all that I need. Septic… oh my goodness, that is a long story all by itself. But it is done, permitting from DEP … well it’s finally all submitted and they have 60 days to reply… based on the septic, we have identified the actual house site. Now for the power, 28k from the closest neighbors. But they won’t grant a right of way. So it’s going to be 2 or 3 times more I’m guessing.
Still haven’t pulled the trigger on a machine since I still, after so many months, don’t actually have a building permit or a builder. The builder we were working with passed unexpectedly a couple weeks ago. So starting over there as well. Some sellers say stay small on the excavator some say go large. I found a PC 300 in my price range located very close to the land, I’m going to look at it ….it’s really large!
Still haven’t pulled the trigger on a machine since I still, after so many months, don’t actually have a building permit or a builder. The builder we were working with passed unexpectedly a couple weeks ago. So starting over there as well. Some sellers say stay small on the excavator some say go large. I found a PC 300 in my price range located very close to the land, I’m going to look at it ….it’s really large!
LCA078
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That sucks about all the permits and costs. Hope it works out.
Yeah, that PC300 is a big boy for you. If you give the exact model or serial number before you go, I'm sure folks here will give you specific things to look at. I think the 300 has been around for a long time so specific numbers will help.
Buffallobull
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PC300-5, I’ll get the VIN soon.
Buffallobull
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it is a pc300lc-3 serial number A15216
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That dash 3 machine was irrelevant by the early 90’s. Keep in mind, there is zero parts availability. Not a bad machine, just zero product support. Zero.
Acoals
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Isn't there a thread somewhere in the basement about homeowners and Giant Ancient Excavators . . . ?