BAD miss, may have major trouble! 1967 580ck. Roughest backhoe in captivity.

[packratc]

Thanks for getting back to me. I'm pleasantly suprised by your answers. I had visions of loosening them all up this morning and then retorquing. I still use an old bar-type torque wrench that you have to do most of the work with with your arm strength so you can stay close enough to see the scale. It's a pain but at my age I guess I'll hang in there with it. I went to Harbor Freight on Monday to buy their radiator pressure testing kit (I want to insure that the sleeve seals hold pressure), and actually looked at a torque wrench (the "click" kind) but passed it up. After I get this thing to run, I'll warm it up real good and run back through the bolts my self. That's a good practice anyway. Thanks, Packratc

 

[packratc]

Got it back together. It runs. Am at a loss on how to post photos again. Wife is worn out so I'll let her alone until tomorrow night. Then I'll post photos and things that might help others doing an in-frame on an early case hoe. Thanks, Packratc

 

[packratc]

I'll post pics later. When I took off the head again I held the sleeves down & checek with staight edge the block deck and the sleeves, placing straight edge on the edge. All checked good with feeler guage. Don't have a correct depth guage micronmeter but I checked as good as I could with magnetic stand & guage. Pics will show it. I was satisfied and put it back together. I had ruined gasket between front housing and head so I made another. Pics will show that I loosened the upper bolts in front housing and tapped a couple of chisels between the housing and the block to "spring" foward the housing and maybe let head slide from rear to front into place and not ruin the new gasket. It worked and it fell into place. Still haven't found the timing mark on the flywheel to set it on top dead center. I put the rocker assembly on (oil bolt rear most), set the adjustment way loose and gradually tightened rocker arm stands checking to see that pushrods stayed in place. As I had put alternator, fan, & waterpump on already it was hard to turn over with screwdriver in the front pulley.
Will continue in next post.

 

[packratc]

Making sure the tight pushrods were still pretty loose I turned it over with starter motor. (This was after I added oil & water.) The starter motor can bend the pushrods as easy as the engine can. Squirted a little oil on top of pistons through the injector holes. As this hoe didn't have a temp. gauge nor an oil pressure guage. I added them at this point. Got cheap SunPro at AutoZone. Put welding rod in #1 injector hole and watched intake open and close. Then watched #3 cylinder do the same thing right after so I know that I wasn't 180 off. Adjusted all the valves as sequenced in manual. Set at .014. Incidently, while I was turning the engine over I turned the fuel cut off on and let it waste a little fuel. Remember I had not touched the injector pump. Put the injectors in and fuel rail the takes excess fuel back to tank. So at this time I had oil in the guage line which was plastic. (I've since replaced it with copper.) Starter motor turned over 4 to 6 seconds and it ran. No miss, no smoke, not ether, no gasoline, nothing but power. Oil pressure hit 70 lbs and temp. started normal rise. Probably didn't add enough water. Took it back to mud hole pond and ran it 30 to 40 minutes at 50% to 70% power. Oil pressure dropped to 45 at idle and temp. got to about 215 for a few minutes. Didn't mean to get it that hot. It cooled right down and left it for the day. This morning the engine oil is still almost too clean to see on dipstick. That means no water in the oil so far. Maybe the sleeve seals will be OK. Started like a small block with injection. Might be a disaster tomorrow but I'm pleased right now. Hope all this typing will help others in the future. Will get pictures in later. You all are the best! Packratc

 

[alrman]

Well done Tolstoy - I mean packratc !
I bet the grin goes from ear to ear.
Are you saying the engine got to that temperature because it didn't have enough coolant in it?
215deg is a little too high - hope you don't have another problem - thermostat; radiator??

 

[packratc]

Probably didn't have enough coolant in it. I used the old thermostat as I had not had problems before. I had the radiator cleaned at the radiator shop last year. Could almost always come close to touching the radiator and could lay my hand on the valvecover. Raining now but I'll fill it up tomorrow if it clears up. It started this morning with just a touch of the starter. Of course it's about 50 Degrees F here. Sorry for the long posts. Didn't want to leave out any of the gruesome, bloody facts. Yes, there is a slight grin that could probably detected from the moon. 'Course it could go all the hell tomorrow! Thanks for all your help! Packratc

 

[Tinkerer]

Good job Packratc ! Please give us all the bloody details. And be sure to post some pictures of the roughest hoe in captivity. Especially in the pond. Sounds like everything is working OK. I hate to see your thread coming to an end . This the most interesting thread I have followed yet. You are certainly a very creative writer.

 

[packratc]

 

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[packratc]

OK! OK! So I put a bad picture in there twice. So sue me! If you've slogged through my writing maybe you will be able to fiqure out what the pics are of & what order they're supposed to be in. Please note the hoe is running w/o smoke emitting from the straight pipe. Will buy new muffler this week. Helper is on the machine in the alleged pond. Mud is about 15 inches deep. Hoe went through it a 3/4 throttle. Came out of the pond the same way with front wheels 3 ft off the ground. As govenor doesn't work the only sign that it knew it was under a pull is slight, very slight, wisp of smoke as it made the hardest pull. Next is build cylinders, rebuild valve bank, rebuild brakes. I have a ROP to put on it and later fenders too. Please ask questions if I've omitted anything. this thread & all you gearheads made this a lot easier. THANK YOU, Packratc

 

[willie59]

Awesome work packratc.

A little tip when applying silicone sealant, don't apply bead to component from tube, instead, squirt a daub of silicone on tip of index finger, then smear it on component, not too thick though, it only takes a light film. This makes the application of silicone more uniform, coats the entire area with sealant, and gives less ooze on the outside, and more importantly, less (undesirable) ooze on the inside.

Do you live on the Cumberland Plataea?

 

[packratc]

No, I'm not on the plateau. Off of it to the West. Good tip on the use of silicone. Have to take the responsibility there. Said helper did it as I watched. I've noted that anyone who's not paying for materials uses it most generously. Secret little-known use of excessive sealant is that it circulates in little streaming filiments that clings to inner-most cracks and crevices, often times to rubber seals. Thus assisting seals with their function to keep the BS out of the holes it usually creeps into. The other reason I don't use my index finger as I once was in the military service. I was assigned to a top secret unit wherein all members had to have our fingerprints removed with acid before our discharge from the service so any missions that we might or might not have taken part in could not be connected to our covert unit. Had I used my index finger said assistant may well have noticed that I lack fingerprints and that lack may bring about questons that I could not answer without compromising national security. Consequently when helper uses excessive amounts of silicone I keep my mouth shut and hold on to the cap between the right forefinger and right thumb. After his usage I join those pieces together and place well squeezed tube into tool box to dry up and never be able to be used again. But, it doesn't leak into the tool box nor reveal the fact that I lack fingerprints. I may be a lousy mechanic but I can shift the blame to some innocent soul somewhere, some how. That is how I roll! Packratc. ( Of course you know that I use an alias due to national security.)

 

[Deere John]

I said on page 5 that this thread is entertaining. Well, it just keeps getting better and better........

 

[Randy88]

Nice thread, I too am impressed things turned out good, as for the rest of the repairs, make sure to keep posting pictures and we'll keep reading. One of the most entertaining and educational threads I've read so far on HEF, hope nobody minded but I ate popcorn while reading this, it was way better than watching a movie.

 

[packratc]

You all are too kind. I'm glad it's been fun for you all. I think the whole deal probably came out costing about 1k. I'm not sure.(If there's a need I could break it down.) That's without labor. Randy, you go for it. Popcorn might have been grown in your own state. Help support your local economy. Just a little bit of salt on mine, thank you. Packratc. Must add a footnote here: Did you see on the news about the baby who swallowed something like 31 magnets? Most attractive baby I've ever seen!

 

[willie59]

No, I'm not on the plateau. Off of it to the West.

Ok, you're pulling my leg, right? After all, would that not be compromising national security if you told me where you lived?

 

[packratc]

I reside near the thriving metropolis of Lascassas, TN. You can purchase pertrolium products at two different locations. Get your mail at the post office which is a room about 12 ft by 14 ft. or have it delivered. Probably have 6 to 8 churches here. We boast a new pharmacy and soon to get a Dollar Store. One vet who treats small animals. There's been about 6 new residences built on this 3 mile or so long road in the last 30 years. I don't know them all but I'm mad about them building out here. I have to stay here as the name I go by is an addiction. I seem to have to own things that have engines and wheels. They don't have to run, be pretty, or worth anything to anyone else. But, if I want them, I want them. My wife hates all of it. She wishes the rust function could be faster. My home is a disaster of rusted cars, trucks, tractors, lawn mowers, motor homes, & trailers. My friends laugh at me & make fun. I consider myself to be one lucky and sick SOB. Packratc

 

[Tinkerer]

I reside near the thriving metropolis of Lascassas, TN. You can purchase pertrolium products at two different locations. Get your mail at the post office which is a room about 12 ft by 14 ft. or have it delivered. Probably have 6 to 8 churches here. We boast a new pharmacy and soon to get a Dollar Store. One vet who treats small animals. There's been about 6 new residences built on this 3 mile or so long road in the last 30 years. I don't know them all but I'm mad about them building out here. I have to stay here as the name I go by is an addiction. I seem to have to own things that have engines and wheels. They don't have to run, be pretty, or worth anything to anyone else. But, if I want them, I want them. My wife hates all of it. She wishes the rust function could be faster. My home is a disaster of rusted cars, trucks, tractors, lawn mowers, motor homes, & trailers. My friends laugh at me & make fun. I consider myself to be one lucky and sick SOB. Packratc

That is awesome Packratc ! I would be a lucky SOB to have you for neighbor.

 

[trevor b]

you don't have the corner on the market . my wife call's it junk i say it's like money in the bank. it's better then money in the bank cus she can't spend it when it looks like that .tb

 

[packratc]

Trevor, You've surely married into my wife's family also. Tinkerer, I've misled you. You don't want to be my neighbor. I won't loan my chainsaw, weed eater, & probably not my tractor. Nothing I have is for sale. Last time I sold something I grieved for two years. I told my wife of these conversations. She said to inform you all that she has three things on speed dial on her phone. They are: The insurance man, the undertaker, and the scrap metal dealer. I know what she has planned. At the foot of our driveway I own two cemetaries. I plan to be in the newer one. In a hole dug with the auger on the back of my tractor. My ashes will be in a half gallon Jack Daniel whiskey bottle which is downstairs in the kitchen cabinet. Guests will have to empty it first. My wife will have friends out on the day she plans to drop me in the post hole. At the same time the scrap metal buyer will be hauling loads out of the driveway. She'll at least want my cold gray ashes, sans two gold crowns, to witness the dispersal of my life's collection. After her friends have left she'll go behind one of the out-buildings where there is a couple of old commodes. She will place it over the freshly dug hole in the cemetary as my tombstone. She'll visit with me any time the need
arises. In a metal waterproof box, beside the tombstone there will be my collection of hot rod magazines which start in 1956. She'll peruse through them & wonder all the time what I saw in them that made me take so much time in the bathroom. Then she'll use them one last time. My only joy will be knowing that Hot Rod was always printed on slick paper. It's nice, calming, and comforting to know that I have provided for my wife & her future happiness. Packratc