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caliundro

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G'day.

Having an issue with a C9 9dg On-Highway engine within a BCI bus. Hoping some of you on here may be able to give some pointers to the following issue:

The issue: is that the engine is misfiring when warm around the 1000-1500rpm range when increasing rev and billowing white smoke of unburnt diesel (can smell the unburnt fuel).

Engine background: The engine has just been rebuilt (new injector sleeves, reusing original injectors, reusing heui pump). Part of the issue for the rebuild was the bus running rough, billowing smoke and breathing heavy. All bearings were worn, cyl 2 and 6 pistons had cracked skirting and cyl 4 had a cracked ring. New bearings, pistons/liners assisted in rectifying the breathing heavy saga. Boss didn't want to replace injectors just test them when engine is back up and running. The engine ran a dream when first started until it warmed up then started spluttering. In this we found the turbo malfunctioning and also sending oil through exhaust so turbo was changed. Rectified that part of problem but engine still spluttering when putting foot on throttle increasing idle to that 1000-1500rpm range when warm, no issue cold.

What has been done: had diagnostics person come out with CAT ET computer and check for codes, run cyl cut out tests etc. No fault codes, no engine light on dash and his cylinder cut out test showed cyl 1 2 3 an issue. To ensure cylinders injectors were swapped 1>6 6>1, 2>5 5>2, 3>4 4>3. Re ran diagnostics and issue still remained at cyl 1 2 3 according to the bloke using the ET diagnostics system. All fuel pressures and what not in spec.
The following sensors have been changed: throttle position, speed/timing, coolant temp, injection actuation sensor, atmospheric pressure, fuel regulation (including cleaning out the lines). Even swapped the ECM from another bus with no issues to rule out ECM and inspected all wiring which was all good. Fuel filters were changed and did appear to have metal in them. Boss is still adament that the injectors and heui pump aren't the issues but being the only components that do have mechanical components that wear inside them we feel that they are.

We're getting to the last legs of our process of elimination and hoping someone here may shed some light on the issues we're having and what else could be cause... the bloke who comes with the CAT ET diagnostics isn't really much a help....

Thanks.
 

caliundro

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Add note: also had fuel in the oil prior to rebuild which was found on cyl 2 injector having split o rings. New orings and no fuel in oil.
 

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Metal in fuel filters you say, agree heui plus injectors. How many miles on those, original?
 

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You sure he was running cat et? Cat ET gives me all the codes and tells me exactly what needs to be replaced... You need a good scanner and dont waste your time with aftermarket go original. I have one and would never go back
 

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Metal in fuel filters you say, agree heui plus injectors. How many miles on those, original?
What's the possibility of the injector wiring harness breaking down when warm.? I'd replace that harness anyway because they get hard and brittle over time with exposure to hot oil inside the rocker box. Normally it is on the list of parts replaced during an overhaul just like liners, pistons, crank bearings, etc. Part Number is 215-3249.

Have you cleaned out the fuel tank.? If you want to get rid of the metallic contamination you may have to rather than depend on the particles being picked up in the fitlers. Some smaller stuff might get through and potentially take out the replacement pump/injectors

Otherwise I agree with TS. Throw a HEUI Pump and a set of injectors in it for a start. Metal in fuel filters is most likely from the pump and will contaminate the injectors at the same time.

Boss is still adament that the injectors and heui pump aren't the issues
Based on what exactly.?
 

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What has been done: had diagnostics person come out with CAT ET computer and check for codes, run cyl cut out tests etc. No fault codes, no engine light on dash and his cylinder cut out test showed cyl 1 2 3 an issue.
Was the cylinder head overhauled.? New valves, springs, rotators, etc.?
Has anyone checked the valve adjustments since the overhaul now the engine has run for awhile.?

You say he did a cutout test with ET.
Can you find out if it was single cylinder or multi-cylinder.?
Often performance issues that don't show up too well on a single cylinder cutout test are blindingly obvious when multiple cylinders are cut out at the same time.
 

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Metal in fuel filters is most likely from the pump and will contaminate the injectors at the same time.
My experience with that is on DD15's. I've found three through the years loosing the high pressure
pump. Bottom of the filter housings had a layer of very fine metal. All three of those had intermittent
stumbling at idle and up. Whole system including tanks had to be flushed. At $980.00 per injector
plus pump it gets expensive real quick.
 
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