Yeah that is just normal stuff in this area when clearing, stumps can almost put your head in your lap if backed on to it, not good on anything.
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Truck Shop
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The sister to this one--Built by Continental Towing L.A.---1" main 7/8" deck. All mechanical
4 speed winches in or out. Tulsa winches rated 40 & 50 tons. If could keep in place would
drag a rotator sideways along with wreck. No much to look at but always brought home the
cash.
4 speed winches in or out. Tulsa winches rated 40 & 50 tons. If could keep in place would
drag a rotator sideways along with wreck. No much to look at but always brought home the
cash.
Welder Dave
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That is a very interesting cabover tow truck/wrecker. Some people in the business get annoyed when a heavy wrecker is referred to as just a tow truck. The biggest wrecker winches seem to be 50 ton even on tri axles. I think Al Quiring's tri axle has an 85 ton winch and 50 ton wrecker winch. Jaime Davis bought one of the very first rotators from the LA Fire department. It was in mint shape with low miles but it got in a bad multi vehicle wreck itself and had to be rebuilt. He sold his original $739K 2012 Western Star 75 ton rotator. I think not enough work for it and too high of payments. His brother has a couple rotators he can call up if needed. I think they mentioned the rotator was $600/hr. That's a lot money for the customer if it has sit at a job for awhile because of delays or other issues. If there's a big traffic jam could take hours just to get to the wreck.
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Truck Shop
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Tow/Recovery. If inspected up close most 50 ton units only have Ramsey 45,000 lb winches.
This Dewalt 50 has twin 45's on it.
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Welder Dave
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It's cold and wet which isn't so bad but when it's -25C it's not so fun. At least I have a good heater. Have seen some bozos with an old machine and no cab try to be snow removal contractors. One sits in the running truck trying to keep warm and switches with the operator every ten minutes because they're freezing. Then they didn't even clear all the packed snow. They undercut the legit operators and I don't see how they made any profit. Then it warmed up a couple days later and people were getting stuck! Another outfit with a big wheel loader had to come and do the entire parking lot again. That was kind of a farce too. The guy had it 75% done but quit at 5pm and brought the loader back the next day. Nobody does snow removal to set times. Would have been less than hour to finish the first day. The worst part though is unloading and loading the skid steer when it's brutally cold with a strong wind. That and having to fuel it up. I had a manual pump at the time.
Welder Dave
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Are the frames on tow trucks reinforced for heavy pulling? I worked building winch trucks but think they were just heavy spec'd. trucks. Winch mounts were bolted and welded. Winches are rated with a bare drum too.
willie59
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I guess of all the machines and trucks I've operated over the years I think the Cat D8K was the beast I really enjoyed operating, the sound of that D342 engine was intoxicating machinery porn.
Truck Shop
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Some triple frame---Winch ratings very on manufacture of unit--a Holmes 750 for instance was
rated on a full spool at 25 tons. Holmes rated all on a full spool, a first wrap on a 750 would have
been 32 ton , but it's pretty rare anyone pays that much rope out, normally on the third or fourth
wrap or more. For the simple fact always want to be in close proximity of what your hooked to.
For something buried/stuck it takes several motions to move it, you want the boom line to pick
weight forcing wheel chocks or stiff legs in the ground and count on deck line to pull it ahead,
which my be only 4 to 5 feet, pull ahead and start the procedure over again. Recovering from
a long distance normally just drags the unit to wreck, plus more cable leaves the chance if a
cable decides to give up the ghost it has much less distance to whip.
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Welder Dave
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Can use pully blocks to increase pull. If that's not enough you hook up 3 Cat D9G winch cats. I think they're 45 ton winches but might be more. That's what they used to pull 2 excavators out of a water soaked peat bog. Some idiot that worked for the owners of the excavators was arguing trying to say the Cats could pull more driving than they could winching. He was informed winching has about 20% more pull than driving. You need good brakes on the Cats though.
I think the Holmes 850 was rated at 45 tons or maybe only 40 tons but was the biggest Holmes made. It had two independent booms that could swing to the side somewhat and dual winches. Watching the difference between the old mechanical wreckers and the newer hydraulic wreckers I'd be a little ticked off if I was charged the same hourly rate for an old and slow truck compared to a newer one. Just the hydraulic spades to hold the truck are way better than the scotch blocks I think they're called. The hyd. winches are quite a bit faster too.
I think the Holmes 850 was rated at 45 tons or maybe only 40 tons but was the biggest Holmes made. It had two independent booms that could swing to the side somewhat and dual winches. Watching the difference between the old mechanical wreckers and the newer hydraulic wreckers I'd be a little ticked off if I was charged the same hourly rate for an old and slow truck compared to a newer one. Just the hydraulic spades to hold the truck are way better than the scotch blocks I think they're called. The hyd. winches are quite a bit faster too.
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Truck Shop
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With correct rating---and many are not and is a weak link. I exploded a 30 ton block
lifting a trailer that sunk to the pin. sheave was made for 1" wire rope, that block weighed
about 85 lbs. IIRC.
Welder Dave
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They broke a type of becket? on a D9G that they've never seen break before. It was replaced with a larger wedge type. I think the rope was 1 1/4". Scary when stuff breaks at that many tons. On the big draglines I'm curious how they get the rope around the wedges. Big Muskie had 5" dia. cable that was 42lbs. per foot!
Truck Shop
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850 was 40 ton, 48 on first wrap, 1801 squirt was 45 ton. Holmes bult two only--rated
at 70 ton in back in the 50's. Old Grand Dad. Note the size of winch drums.
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aighead
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I'm a homebody that hasn't run much. Only my backhoe and a tiny bulldozer my neighbor had for a few weeks. The dozer was real old and brutal on my body at every turn, but I could see the appeal of a bigger one and what can be done with it. I like the backhoe but do get a bit frustrated with its limitations. For my use it's by far the best tool for me to have, due to its jack of all trade nature. I don't like to worry about repairs and I'm always kind of anxious about it. It seems like an excavator would be fun for a while but watching the gold shows makes me think it could get old pretty quickly.
DDoug
Formerly digger doug
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DDoug
Formerly digger doug
A mild winter, the wing isn't even full:
Welder Dave
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Jamie Davis has an 850 and an 1801. He likes the older stuff. I found an interesting video on old Holmes wreckers.
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Welder Dave
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D9G winch is apparently 45 ton so a D8K would be less than that. Still don't want to be anywhere near the line if doing a heavy pull. The kinetic energy would be incredible.
The charts show hmmm 100k pounds but the numbers ????? Page A42 it starts the specs
The D9G I'd think would be a pull over the machine weight. Because the machines will pull much more than their own weight on the correct surface of course. You will always want a winch to pull at lease the machine weight, if your pulling yourself up a 60 degree slope.
Yeah and this is the older A version
The D9G I'd think would be a pull over the machine weight. Because the machines will pull much more than their own weight on the correct surface of course. You will always want a winch to pull at lease the machine weight, if your pulling yourself up a 60 degree slope.
Yeah and this is the older A version
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