mtb345
Well-Known Member
can anyone explain why lieberh puts thier boom piston upside down on the exavator:beatsme
Maybe it's easier to plumb the hydraulics this way due to the design of the machine. And how do we know what is right side up anyway :beatsme
To protect the finish on the ram?:beatsme
The way I see it, more lifting power is provided on the piston side of the cylinder than the rod side however cylinder speed will be slower given that a fixed volume of oil flow is available... it depends whether you need power or speed which way the cylinders are mounted
Since the oil being supplied to the cylinder side always expands the cylinder and the rod side always retracts it, wouldn't that be a bit of a moot point? It should make no difference speed or power wise as to which way the cylinder is mounted.
I have always seen them mounted reversed to eliminate the dust buildup around the rod seal.
Brian
the hydraulic theory is correct though... piston end provides more power etc
That's a physical impossibility. Equal and opposite reactions and all that... They are pushing against each other, one side can't possibly provide "more power" - only more oil pressure/flow will provide more power.
No Wulf is right. The head side has more surface area for a given pressure to act on. The rod side of the piston has the surface area of the head side, MINUS the area taken up by the rod so less area for the oil to act on.
For a given flow, a cylinder will be quicker to retract than to extend because the rod side has less volume due to the rod taking up some of the volume. Hope this makes sense.
No Wulf is right. The head side has more surface area for a given pressure to act on. The rod side of the piston has the surface area of the head side, MINUS the area taken up by the rod so less area for the oil to act on.
For a given flow, a cylinder will be quicker to retract than to extend because the rod side has less volume due to the rod taking up some of the volume. Hope this makes sense.
Two very different discussions here.
First thing you need to do is learn the correct terminology. There is really only one discussion here, but you are clouding the issue by using the incorrect terminology and in due course, introducing a different discussion.
No one is arguing that the power exerted by the cylinder is different at either end of the rod, or that orientation will change the power exerted.
They are simply saying that power is different depending on which end of the cylinder assembly is being acted upon by the oil at a given time.
Do you even know how a hydraulic cylinder works?
You have previously stated that both sides push against each other and that only more pressure or flow can create more power, when in fact, this is not the case.
A basic understanding of physics on your part would help you to understand that when oil with an equal pressure and flow is introduced into two separate vessels (in this case the two sides of a hydraulic cylinder assembly) at separate times, the amount of force developed by the oil on the given cylinder will in fact be larger on the barrel side of the cylinder than the rod side due to the larger surface area for the oil to act against. Basically, the same pressure applied over a larger surface area equals more force applied by the cylinder.
There is never oil trying to apply force against itself by pressurizing both ends of the cylinder assembly at the same time unless the is a mechanical malfunction in the control valving. So the equal and opposite reactions you mention are a moot point.
Esobofh
Explain the basic physics - please use basic English and finish your thought so that the rest of us understand-
I have a several basic hyd. books that say what the the other members have said- pressure times area- makes the rod provide less lbs of power
So it would seem that we do not understand what you are saying or you do not understand us or do not think us to be on your level