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Retrofit Different Pilot Control Joysticks on Old Daewoo Excavator?

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Hello everyone, love this site.



I have a 2000ish Daewoo Solar 035 serial number 0035. I know the serial number thing is confusing being the same as the model. Been a little annoying.



The problem I am having is similar to a couple of others I have found on here, but I am not able to parts swap as easy as other guys with more brand name machines to know for sure. Basically my controls, boom especially as you pull or push forward on the joystick ever so slightly, nothing, nothing, nothing, a little bit of movement, Full Speed! So when you try to operate the machine normally, the boom function moving the most weight, jerks so bad the machine hops like a kangaroo. And when you hop, your hand moves the stick more, and it magnifies the problem.



I measured the pilot pressure to the lines that feed the joysticks, and its about 550psi, right where the service manual says it should be. I suspected it would be too high, causing the control valve spools to move too much on the associated cylinders, but the pilot system pressure is right at spec.



The next possibility I thought of is the joystick pilot valves themselves either having a seal problem allowing too much flow with very little movement of the joysticks, or weak springs causing the same issue, too much flow too fast to the associated control valves. They are leaking from the plungers on the tops.



But, the control valve assembly for my machine is about $700/ea from Korea, and that's a lot to risk if it's not the problem. The question is, could I just use another manufacturers joystick control valve such as a John Deere or Komatsu, which has your 6 connections on the bottom, readily available for $100-$200? Or would there be major hydraulic flow and pressure discrepancies that would prevent it from working? I can adapt the plumbing and fabricate the mounting readily enough so that nobody would ever know it wasn't stock. But, the pressures and flows actuating the cylinder control valves on the other end of the pilot lines are my concern.



Or, am I barking up the wrong tree? Sticky cylinder spool valves? Weak cylinder spool valve springs? Wrong hydraulic fluid, too thin, flowing too quickly?

Any thoughts or advice?

Thanks in advance guys.

Jack
 

Lagwagon

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Does the machine have a pilot accumulator? looks like a mini hot-air balloon sitting on a pilot line block not far off the main pump.
 
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I don't believe so. I've attached a diagram from the service manual. It's got the line from the pump, shutoff control lockout solenoids, pilot line filter, and the joysticks.Screenshot_20240812-082304.png
 
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I do have a new pilot line filter on order. It's like a little metal canister, with a small metal screen in it. My screen had a hole in it, which I thought may affect flow or pressure, but Im doubtful that it would be the cause of the whole problem. But, mine had a hole, so it's getting replaced.
 
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I will check the pressure at the spool caps. I'm assuming I would tee into the pilot line right where The pilot line controlling the boom connects to the boom control valve? Memasure the pressure there?
 

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I will check the pressure at the spool caps. I'm assuming I would tee into the pilot line right where The pilot line controlling the boom connects to the boom control valve? Memasure the pressure there?
Yes correct, best to have a second person watching the gauge, have them note the readings at low-high throttle and whilst pulling the function. While your at it test the main pump pressure. Do you have a hydraulic schematic? How many hours on machine? These old machines are not exactly smooth to begin with so I would keep your expectations modest.
 
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I actually tested all of the pressures and adjusted the main relief valves, as well as the individual function relief valves a month or two ago. I didn't have any trouble getting everything to be where the service manual wanted them for pressures.

2300 hours neighborhood.

The way this thing gets to hopping, I got to believe something is wrong. For one, nobody would have bought these things at all if it did this from day 1. For 2, my joystick boom function is acting more like an on/off switch rather than a throttle. There is no feathering. As you ease back on the stick, once it goes, it goes. If you pull back more, it does not go faster. If you let off slightly, it stops.

I'll look in the service and parts manuals for a hydraulic schematic.

I did read on here about a guy who put stiffer springs in the little pilot spools in his joysticks, and it fixed his similar problem.

Thank you by the way for taking the time out of your life to help, for no other reason but to help. Rare nowadays.
 
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The above picture I posted earlier is the closest thing to an overall hydraulic schematic that I could find as far as to what hoses go where, perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. It does have exploded diagrams of the different components, such as joystick Valve, solenoid shut off valve, swing joint, main control valve, etc. The main control valve just has labels of which one goes to which function.
 

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Do you have a pattern changer? Can you flip flop some lines to determine if it's actually an issue in the cab?
 
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I don't have a pattern changer, but i should flip flops some lines. Then at least I'd see if the problem happened on other spools in the joystick valves.
 
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I know a lot of these joystick valves have different springs in their spools at 12:00 and 6:00 positions vs 9:00 and 3:00 positions. Assuming all 8 aren't shot, (which could be the case) it should give me some information. I'll tear into it here soon and try some stuff. My pilot line filter got delivered to the dealer yesterday, I've got to put that in anyway.

Thanks for the input.
 

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If the pilot filter had a hole in it, it's possible that something got by it and is jamming up the spool so it won't move smoothly.
 

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Do y'all by any chance have wiring diagram for safety switches on joy sticks my orange wire is loose and have no idea where it goes from the arm safety's
 
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