Vancouver Island, BC. Logging at its Best!

[dirty4fun]

HESCO, I am guessing "The dump" is they were taking the long logs to make an A frame to unload the logs off the trailers. Probably next to the ocean, so the logs dumped into the water. The old men didn't have the big machines to unload a truck, but they figured out the fastest and easiest ways to get the job done.

 

[Vigilant]

Back in those days, the 'old men' were also young whippersnappers, full of **** and vinegar.

 

[camptramp]

Enjoy the pictures, must have been a great time in history! My question is what does [for the dump] mean?

The first three pictures are of a " Parbuckle " Dump using a single stick hanging over a row of Skid Logs to Parbuckle the load off a logging truck using two cables and a spreader bar , then using the dump machine to load empty trailer back on truck . The last two pictures are of an "A' Frame dump with two sticks forming an "A" hanging over the water lifting the weight of the load , then allowing the load to swing out over the water before dropping the load into the water . Both systems use two lines to control the spreader bar . One pulls the spreader bar in to the base of the sticks , above the load to hook up cable that pass under load , the second line lifts the spreader bar . After hooking up cables under load spreader bar is raised to take weight of load , the stakes on water side of load are released ,next the line holding spreader bar to sticks is released allowing the "A" Frame loads to swing out over water or Parbuckle loads to slide down skid logs .Then load trailer back on truck .

 

[HESCO]

That's fantastic field engineering!!! Set up almost like a dragline with hoist system and drag system.

 

[HDX]

Hesco "The Dump" means the Log dump where the loaded logging trucks get unloaded. This is / was a place beside the water where the load of logs was lifted off the truck and dumped into the water! The picture above that the guys were talking about was only one log so that would mean it was a "Jin Pole" dump. This usually meant the load of logs was (Par-buckled off the trucks") dumped loose and the logs would go all over the place in the water. The "A" frame dumps (that is where there are two logs the same as pictured above with a cross bar lashed to each of them) to make it look like a huge "A" thus the name, would usually put cables or wide steel bands around the load so that when the logs were dumped into the water the load would stay together as a load. This made it easier for booming the loads into pockets. Where you were dumping would dictate what system you would use. If for instance you were dumping into a river or shallow tidal water you would dump loose so the logs would float freely whereas with a full load it would take deeper water so the load was not always getting stuck in the mud on the bottom. Even the big log dumps would have to bring in a dredge from time to time and dredge the bull-pen under the dump out because of bark and chunks that come off the loads will sink and build up Then the full loads would start to get hung up and the little boom boats couldn't move them. Usually what the boom crew (the guys that move the logs either with boats or poles) would do is use the "Prop Wash" to move some of the underwater stuff till the dredge came. By this I mean they would start pushing on a load right where there was too much underwater bark build-up and use the Prop Wash to help move some of the underwater debris! These guys are VERY GOOD at what they could and still can do with those little boats. Like everything in the forest industry it takes ingenuity!!! Does this help answer your question????

 

[HDX]

Sorry Al I answered too late!!! Nice shot of the 221 getting dumped. Still like to know where or what became of her.

 

[HESCO]

Good explanation, thank you!

 

[Vigilant]

As I said, 'Rog Rump'.

Sometimes off-highway loads were also transferred to rail cars. That type of operation is commonly known as a reload. Probably used the same type of machinery as in the photos above. The reload I grew up around at Vail was run by a diesel-powered loading donkey. It was a 1925 Washington Iron Works donkey. I heard they logged with it for just a few years, then set it up at that same spot when they started transitioning to off-highway log trucks. It started out running on wood-fired steam, then diesel-fired steam...... after that I have no idea how many old truck engines it went through. Art Smythe, the reload operator, had been running that donkey since not long after they started the reload. He was still there when my father was Superintendent. Dad bought Mr. Smythe a brand new log stacker in about 1971 to make it easier on him. Smythe hated that stacker. He kept finding ways for it to break down so he could get back on the old reload.

God bless Art Smythe.

 

[camptramp]

Hesco "The Dump" means the Log dump where the loaded logging trucks get unloaded. This is / was a place beside the water where the load of logs was lifted off the truck and dumped into the water! The picture above that the guys were talking about was only one log so that would mean it was a "Jin Pole" dump. This usually meant the load of logs was (Par-buckled off the trucks") dumped loose and the logs would go all over the place in the water. The "A" frame dumps (that is where there are two logs the same as pictured above with a cross bar lashed to each of them) to make it look like a huge "A" thus the name, would usually put cables or wide steel bands around the load so that when the logs were dumped into the water the load would stay together as a load. This made it easier for booming the loads into pockets. Where you were dumping would dictate what system you would use. If for instance you were dumping into a river or shallow tidal water you would dump loose so the logs would float freely whereas with a full load it would take deeper water so the load was not always getting stuck in the mud on the bottom. Even the big log dumps would have to bring in a dredge from time to time and dredge the bull-pen under the dump out because of bark and chunks that come off the loads will sink and build up Then the full loads would start to get hung up and the little boom boats couldn't move them. Usually what the boom crew (the guys that move the logs either with boats or poles) would do is use the "Prop Wash" to move some of the underwater stuff till the dredge came. By this I mean they would start pushing on a load right where there was too much underwater bark build-up and use the Prop Wash to help move some of the underwater debris! These guys are VERY GOOD at what they could and still can do with those little boats. Like everything in the forest industry it takes ingenuity!!! Does this help answer your question????

Its okay HDX that's a really good description of a working "Wet Dump". Hard to say what happened to the 221 , was pretty well used up when I drove it at Nekite River in 1979 probably ended up as a water truck .

 

[camptramp]

Oz Nelson Island Fiber , contracting for Teal Jones at HBO . Nice to see there's still the odd "Berry" out there . Load is pulled over at wrapper and truck check point , at Mesachie Lake B.C.

 

[camptramp]

Oz Nelson Island Fiber load waiting and dumping at Teal Jones Duke Point DLS just South of Nanaimo loads came from Teal Jones HBO Div. on TFL #46 .

 

[camptramp]

Oz Nelson , Hamilton Logging , Courtney B.C.

 

[Hank R]

Sure like the Hamilton Logging sign.

 

[donkeydoc]

Colin R. Eldred River Logging , Moyeha Bay , 850 Kenworth being dumped .View attachment 128403View attachment 128404 Pushed off on to logs with Cat Stacker .

looks like roy white walking in front of one of Nelsons 850s

 

[camptramp]

Oz Nelson Fletcher Challenge Canada , Caycuse Div.

 

[camptramp]

Oz Nelson , Fletcher Challenge Canada , Caycuse Div.

 

[HDX]

We got into a berry patch last week. Here's the end result with Norm MacLeod, the second loader, and Mark Hetherington the shovel operator.

 

[HDX]

On the road and at the Sarita Dryland Sort. When we get loads like this, Pentti Hiltunen uses his juicer to unload them. IPL uses this method so the logs don't get shattered and split when coming off the truck from that height.

 

[csquared]

I think i saw Chad hauling up H17 a few weeks ago from the shop. Looks good.

 

[HDX]

No not H17 was H151 that was down at Chemainus Shop They did a bunch of work to her. H151 is a conventional truck with the bunk on her whereas the 17 is a PreLoad truck (5th Wheel instead of a bunk)