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What's your hoe doing?

Willie B

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TEETH

I find myself often raking the ground to remove rock on or just below the surface. New teeth work OK for digging them out. Picking up a rock to load it in the truck can be easy, or hard depending on its size. I have an Amulet thumb, forged into it is CT Series. I feel it is too long for my bucket, and the geometry isn't right. I've got an idea for reshaping the thumb. I feel like a seven year old eating corn on the cob, thumb is useless for small rocks under 16" diameter. Those, I find myself pulling them toward me, can't get under them to get them in the bucket. Even digging a hole to scoop them out of fails to get rock in the bucket without gravel also. Worn teeth make it even worse.
I've kicked around a number of ideas to improve the situation. I've considered building a heavy thing that I'd move around as needed to push rocks against like I would with the blade on a mini excavator.
I once welded extensions to the teeth to lengthen them. It worked great, but eventually they broke. No welds failed, the scrap cutting edge I was using broke an inch or more past the weld. I'm considering a better choice of steel for another try at it.

Anybody got a better idea?
What would you use for the extensions. Stuff I used before was 3/4 thick bolt on edge for a road grader.
 

Willie B

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TEETH

I find myself often raking the ground to remove rock on or just below the surface. New teeth work OK for digging them out. Picking up a rock to load it in the truck can be easy, or hard depending on its size. I have an Amulet thumb, forged into it is CT Series. Salesman claimed they make the thumbs for Case optional thumbs on new tractors. There is a lot different about factory Case thumbs. I feel it is too long for my bucket, and the geometry isn't right. I've got an idea for reshaping the thumb. I feel like a seven year old eating corn on the cob, thumb is useless for small rocks under 16" diameter. Those, I find myself pulling them toward me, can't get under them to get them in the bucket. Even digging a hole to scoop them out of fails to get rock in the bucket without gravel also. Worn teeth make it even worse.
I've kicked around a number of ideas to improve the situation. I've considered building a heavy thing that I'd move around as needed to push rocks against like I would with the blade on a mini excavator.
I once welded extensions to the teeth to lengthen them. It worked great, but eventually they broke. No welds failed, the scrap cutting edge I was using broke an inch or more past the weld. I'm considering a better choice of steel for another try at it.

Anybody got a better idea?
What would you use for the extensions. Stuff I used before was 3/4 thick bolt on edge for a road grader.
 

HarleyHappy

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I’d consider looking for a clam shell hoe bucket. There was one on FB marketplace for a 580 L a month or two back. Think it was only 500 bucks and it was 24” I think.
I was messaging the guy and he was actually responding, then I decided I didn’t need it as I have a hydraulic thumb already but the price was almost too good to pass up.
That and it looked to be in excellent condition.
 

Deere500a

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Willie for the thumb might be worth checking a extra capacity bucket like old Fords used plus find'em cheap to modify. Wain Roy 4/1 hoe bucket is one of the original & new brands use hydraulic motor for clamp instead of hydraulic cylinder past see'em on gov/park machines time bucket was 12k us newScreenshot_20260703-101519~2.pngScreenshot_20260703-101404~2.png
 

Willie B

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I’d consider looking for a clam shell hoe bucket. There was one on FB marketplace for a 580 L a month or two back. Think it was only 500 bucks and it was 24” I think.
I was messaging the guy and he was actually responding, then I decided I didn’t need it as I have a hydraulic thumb already but the price was almost too good to pass up.
That and it looked to be in excellent condition.
I think this is the biggest shortcoming of a backhoe compared to an excavator, the loader bucket is on the wrong end. If it could be used like a broom & dustpan it'd be much more convenient. At least an excavator has a blade you can push the rock against.
I checked out clam buckets, way out of price range unless I could find a used one.
 

aighead

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Not really the same use case and not terribly friendly unless you have a helper but I got a set of log tongs I haven't tried yet. My plan is to use them to move some rocks around. It looks like it should work but they may get bent up pretty quickly. It was a 90 dollar gamble. My solution has been a bigger rock to scoop against and it works some, but without a thumb placing them, after picking up, is a crapshoot.
 

Willie B

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Not really the same use case and not terribly friendly unless you have a helper but I got a set of log tongs I haven't tried yet. My plan is to use them to move some rocks around. It looks like it should work but they may get bent up pretty quickly. It was a 90 dollar gamble. My solution has been a bigger rock to scoop against and it works some, but without a thumb placing them, after picking up, is a crapshoot.
I find a big pile of rocks, I can get in the bucket size rocks in. Find as I work a pile it gets too close to the back of the tractor to reach. If I'm not careful it ends up under the swing tower.

I get ads for a strap invention to lift big rocks. I'm tempted because it is hard to place rocks the side up or swivelled where I want them. Again I don't think it'd be very convenient to use if you don't have a second person.
I have found a piece of 3/8" cable with a very thick ring at one end works reasonably as a choker to lift big ones won't fit in the bucket.
 
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