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OzDozer

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That's my take on current design EV's - they must have zero resale after a few years, because the cost of that battery replacement is huge.

I reckon I won't be buying any EV until I can get one with a swappable battery. The swappable battery makes a whole lot more sense to me - especially when you have a choice in battery sizes, and can select the particular size battery you want for what you're doing.

If you're only tooling around town, or SWMBO is only doing shopping or taking the kids to school, you only pay for a small battery.
You want to do a trip to 2 States away, you get the biggest battery available in the swap system, then exchange it for the small battery when you get back.
 
OzDozer

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Yes, I know about Janus, but they're still experimental. However, Nio in China is going full-on with the battery-swap technology, they have already installed around 2,400 EV battery swap stations in China, and most Chinese taxis are battery-swap Nios, so they can run 24/7/365 without the need for charge downtime.

Battery swap technology means the EV is instantly much cheaper, because you purchase it with no battery. You pay a modest fee per month for battery rent, and then you never have any fear of a $20K battery replacement bill.

No-one owns their own BBQ gas bottles any more, with the need to have them re-certified after 10 years at huge cost - swappable BBQ gas bottles are the only way to go today.
 
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In the rural US, I can't see battery swapping work. Lots of suburbs it could work, but it's against the freedom feeling that sells cars here. And for used cars it would be prohibitively expensive as far as I can tell.

So far EV resale is doing fine, I'd buy one myself if they get cheap enough. I don't need 300 miles range, or 0-60 in under ten seconds, or fast charging. Something that goes ten miles reliably cheaper than the alternatives, and I'm in.
 
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One of the neighbors told me about his new neighbor, feller bought the property next to his decided to drive out from the city for a couple days. Guy drives battery powered F-150 and after driving around for a while after dark looking for deer his battery was pretty low so he plugged the truck in. We had a pretty significant wind storm that night 60-70 mph gusts knocked the power out for 2 days and the batteries did not charge. Turns out they had no supplies at the cabin, figured they would drive into town the next morning, oops. New guy visited neighbor the next day asked for some supplies that he would readily replace upon power-up. Good neighbor goes to freezer gets some venison, frozen veggies, and some pasta from the cupboard and hands the bag to new guy who has this dumbass look on his face, turns out the stove in the cabin is also electric, oops. Good neighbor did some cooking on his horrible gas appliance so new guy and his kid didn't starve. New guy was out next weekend in the wife's subaru gasser with a care package that included some grub, some wine and a box of beer. Pays to be neighborly. ;)
 
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stinky64 said:
One of the neighbors told me about his new neighbor, feller bought the property next to his decided to drive out from the city for a couple days. Guy drives battery powered F-150 and after driving around for a while after dark looking for deer his battery was pretty low so he plugged the truck in. We had a pretty significant wind storm that night 60-70 mph gusts knocked the power out for 2 days and the batteries did not charge. Turns out they had no supplies at the cabin, figured they would drive into town the next morning, oops. New guy visited neighbor the next day asked for some supplies that he would readily replace upon power-up. Good neighbor goes to freezer gets some venison, frozen veggies, and some pasta from the cupboard and hands the bag to new guy who has this dumbass look on his face, turns out the stove in the cabin is also electric, oops. Good neighbor did some cooking on his horrible gas appliance so new guy and his kid didn't starve. New guy was out next weekend in the wife's subaru gasser with a care package that included some grub, some wine and a box of beer. Pays to be neighborly. ;)
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That's a good story in any thread. It's like when my neighbors well went out and I strung out all the garden hose I could and rigged it up so she could at least flush a toilet and take care of business until the well man came out.
 
cfherrman

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I don't know how propane is here but you can buy your own bottle and when the valve goes bad or it needs to be recertified swap it.

So far we just need a good valve and good ring on bottom so it stands up by itself.
 
OzDozer

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Re running out of electricity, don't forget that when the power goes out in a big storm, you can't pump gas, either.
I've never been 100% reliant on supplied electricity, we have an electric stove, but a portable gas stove backup. And my Kubota diesel genset is never too far away.
Our shower is gas, I reckon getting clean and warm is a good start, before you go looking for a way to acquire and cook your food.

We just had a huge storm take out a large amount of the rural electricity supplies over inland Western Australia for several days, and a lot of people had to become self-reliant. Genset sales went through the roof, every dealer ran out of gensets to sell.
 
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Biggest problem we have if the power goes out is no water(well). Fine if it is warm out, we have water barrels. In the cold, they are empty. We keep a 5 gal drinking water jug for emergencies and fill all the water bottles each evening. That and some ground coffee and we are golden. We also fill some buckets if there is a wind storm predicted for flushing. Cam
 
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20+ years ago we had a bad ice storm......
Large generators weren't common, bottled water wasn't around either.
My friend Jim had a 5hp genny, 110v only. Wouldn't power the well.
He told the family, "If you flush a toilet, I'll break your arm", thats my coffee water in those toilet tanks!
Lol, Jim drank coffee dawn til bedtime.

Ed
 
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We have a 10 kw diesel ex-military generator and 300 gal of fuel. No problem with water, cooking (propane), ice or heat, a/c. Good for about 2 months before we need to refuel.
 
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Wood burner and gas furnace, propane fixtures for emergency light if necessary. Creek runs through front yard for crapper flushing and spring water to house ,over flow from spring box percolates out of the side of hill constantly for drinking water in an emergency. For extended outages have 4 generators to power entire property including tenant house because his generator will probably not run or his gas will be contaminated for certain. Then there is always kerosene heaters and coleman lanterns as back-up for the back-up. Always have ample supply of both fuels on hand to supply machines and other crap "just in case". Not a prepper just a packrat, got lots of "stuff" but generally don't worry about outages.
 
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