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Crazy truck prices

crane operator

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The cooling system has got to be interesting . . .
Shouldn't be one- aside from some aluminum fins. Its just a air cooled duetz.

I've never been around one in a truck, but it was kind of a thing for a little while to have duetz powered tractors that were air cooled. The guys that I knew that had them, liked them.

If I remember right, in the early 90's it was duetz and allis branded tractors, that were air cooled with duetz engines.
 

1693TA

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Lot of Duetz powered tractors still working around here. Had a combine come in on trade this year at harvest completion with a V8 Duetz "Air Diesel" as they were called.

Smooth, relatively quiet, and powerful is how I see them.
 

Oxbow

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Shouldn't be one- aside from some aluminum fins. Its just a air cooled duetz.

I've never been around one in a truck, but it was kind of a thing for a little while to have duetz powered tractors that were air cooled. The guys that I knew that had them, liked them.

If I remember right, in the early 90's it was duetz and allis branded tractors, that were air cooled with duetz engines.
My only experience with a Duetz was in a Liebherr excavator in the 80s. I didn't care much for the excavator but the engine didn't cause any problems.
 

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Deutz were real common around here for use in pea harvesters/combines. There was a shop
here in town that had several on pallets some years back, don't know what happened to
them.
 

Simon C

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Deutz Engines were all over the place in the underground mining industry in Northern Ontario Canada and everywhere in the world for that. It is where I learned how to fuel spill an engines fuel pump for perfect timing. Still some underground in some ploaces.
Simon C
 

1693TA

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Deutz Engines were all over the place in the underground mining industry in Northern Ontario Canada and everywhere in the world for that. It is where I learned how to fuel spill an engines fuel pump for perfect timing. Still some underground in some ploaces.
Simon C
I've always thought "spill timing" an engine with about 40psi fuel pressure applied is the most accurate but my experience is mostly Mack engines and now old AMBAC injection pumps.
 

mowingman

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I always like the Deutz engines. We had them on a punch of pit pumps back in the 80's, in our sand and gravel operations. They were easy to maintain and would sure pump a lot of water. We used to run them to almost 20,000 hrs. on our Gorman Rupp pumps. By then they usually had a catastrophic failure of some type, and we kept a couple of new engines on pallets, ready to swap out. I can remember several times I would check on a Deutz-powered pump, to find a hole in the block, almost no oil in it, and it would still be running and pumping water.
I later had them on diesel stump grinders I bought around 2007-2012. They were powerful machines with those Deutz engines.
 

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If you just stay in Mexico you don't have to worry about the fixing up . . . .
 

Joe H

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Ram Channels Cher — But Not for Long

This is the first time a major manufacturer has brought back an old model to sell alongside the new.
What if you could turn back time — to 2008 — and buy a brand-new half-ton truck like they used to make them? One without the “assistance” and other “technologies” that come standard with the new ones, like it or not — but with a standard 8-foot bed that’s increasingly hard to get … and for thousands less than what they’re selling the new double-and-crew cab short-bed trucks for today?

The very thought of it almost makes you want to dance around a battleship turret, doesn’t it?


Better to get out your checkbook — because for a time, you can buy a brand-new 2008 Ram 1500 Classic with a regular cab with an 8-foot bed and a standard 3.6-liter V6 without “eTorque technology” for $32,345.

“Classic” meaning the previous-generation Ram that was “all new” back in 2008 and hasn’t been changed much since then.

As opposed to a brand-new current-generation 2024 Ram quad cab with a short bed (and standard “eTorque technology”) for $38,570.

This “eTorque technology” refers to an iteration of the automatic stop-start (or ASS) “technology,” which practically every new vehicle now comes standard with, that shuts off the engine every time the vehicle isn’t moving — in order to staunch the “emission” of the dreaded carbon dioxide. The gas that plants metabolize into the oxygen we breathe.

In the new Ram, this takes the form of a 48-volt electric system that powers a high-torque belt-drive starter system. It restarts the engine faster than less “advanced” versions of ASS “technology.” But it does so at the cost of a 48-volt electric system, the belt-drive starter system, and a large (secondary) EV-style lithium-ion battery that will have to be replaced at your expense at some point down the road.

And that is the main reason why a new 2024 Ram 1500 that isn’t Classic costs $38,570 to buy — or $6,225 more than a brand-new Ram Classic that will never need a new lithium-ion battery.


That has an engine that stays running until you turn it off. That comes standard with an 8-foot rather than a short bed — and the regular cab you can’t get anymore in a new 2024 Ram 1500.

How about a V8-powered ’08 Ram 1500 regular cab with an 8-foot bed — also without “eTorque technology” — for $36,335? That’s the price of a ’24 Ram Classic so configured. As opposed to $41,755 — which is the cost of a new Ram 1500 quad cab with the V8 (and all the latest “technology” you may want no part of).

You can save yourself $5,440 by going Classic — and save yourself having to deal with all the latest “technology,” too.

This is what many truck buyers want — in part because it is what many truck buyers can afford. The new Ram 1500 that isn’t Classic is a truck many can no longer afford — and don’t want, besides. This includes people who do not want a four-door/short-bed truck, which may be more passenger friendly but isn’t as work friendly.

The regular cab Classic with an 8-foot bed is configured the way full-size trucks used to be — when trucks were not yet substitutes for the full-size cars that government regs de facto forced off the road. The italics to emphasize the evil subtlety of the method. No law was ever passed by Congress forbidding the manufacture or sale of the full-size sedans (and wagons) that were once even more popular than full-size trucks are today. Instead, regs were promulgated by the bureaucratic apparat-styled EPA requiring cars to deliver ever-higher MPGs, irrespective of the cost — including the cost of such vehicles becoming almost-no-longer-available. The handful that still are all luxury-brand cars such as the Mercedes S-Class, Audi A8, and BMW 7 Series (and even these are only mid-sized sedans by the standards of the ’70s) that cost tens of thousands more than a full-sized truck. And they no longer come standard with a V8. The 2024 A8 no longer even offers one.

And that is why people who need a full-size vehicle (with a V8) buy trucks today.

But they are becoming unaffordable in their turn — as well as laden with “technology” people who buy trucks because they want a truck do not want. The “eTorque technology” that is now standard in the ’24 Ram 1500 is a prime example of this. It does not make the truck more suited for work — and it makes it both more expensive and almost certainly less long-term-reliable. These are not qualities that appeal to people who want a truck.

The fascinating — the depressing — thing is that in order to be able to offer the attributes truck buyers want, Ram is obliged to sell an old truck as an end-run around the regs that have rendered the new truck less desirable to truck buyers than the new one.

Let that sink in a minute.

Has there ever been a case of the new being less desirable than the old? Well, yes — many such cases. For instance, people who wanted a muscle car in 1975 would have done a Cher if they could have bought a new 1970 model that year rather than a gelded-by-government ’75 model.

But this is the first time a major manufacturer has brought back an old model to sell alongside the new. And that says a lot about the new — as well as the old.

It’s also a good sign in that at least one manufacturer is still trying to sell what people want to buy — as opposed to passively purveying what the government is trying to force people to buy while pretending it isn’t doing exactly that.

Better hurry, though.

Time’s running short.

 
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