TCILandclearing
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Junk Deutz
I just Joined this site so I could let you all know that I have the same problems with my Rayco Deutz. The Deutz engines are junk Period. They arent much of a motor to begin with but in the crawler mower application its a joke. I have put a total of four 2011 Deutz engines in my Rayco C87l and they all failed the original engine made it 1400hrs then the next was 400 and the next was 192 and the next was 82. The dealer that was putting these in was grossly incompetent and I think they were doing something wrong but still the motors are junk. I have run the gammet with Deutz and they will lie dodge and avoid to not go good for these. One of my new engines came through with an oil switch missing and I ran it for a week or so and then brought it back because it wouldn run right. They figured that out and then about two months later it blew a hole in the block as I was plowing a camp road. Of course this is after they chased a non existant wiring problem for a week at $86/hr because they couldn't belive that the gauge was only showing 7lbs of pressure. like I said they aren't much for motors to begin with and when you add this paticular dealership to the equation you don't stand a chance. I mean, I literally have three of these motors at my shop that I paid $10K a piece for and they are junk. Boat anchors.
I think what is happening is the dealerships would actually like to go good for these but Deutz won't and then its either they pay on their own or not and the customer is left holding the bag.
Now let me tell you my solution. After junk engine number 4 I was completely broke. with the downtime and the repair cost it about ruined me. So I took a job for the winter just to put food on the table. Somebody had given me an old GMC NPR box truck and it had an Izusu 4BD1T motor. All mechanical. I spent nights and weekends re-engineering this start to finish. Now, as luck would have it this motor is a good fit fot the 87L / FTX90 because it runs at 3000 rpm but it has 116hp. I tood the Deutz bellhousing off one of my motors and had a machine shop fit it on to the Izusu engine and also take the pump spline receiver off the deutz flywheel and center it on the Flywheel of the new engine. Under $400 at a local machine shop. then slide it in and bolt it up. Even the front motor mounts are correct because they are on that Deutz bell houseing. Cut the old rayco motor mounts out of the rayco chasis. I had a fab guy come and build me some new motor mounts on site. $200. My machine is an 04 so it didn't have the high cool package but it did have limb risers so I just remoted the cooler up there. I used the deutz alternator because it had all my plug ins to run the rayco computer and tach. I spent about another $1000 on parts and paying a mechanic to wire it up because it was beyond me. the Air cleaner and exaust are on the outside of the cowling where they should be and I have a decent running machine for about $2K and I'm back in buisness. Its really kind of a joke. I mean I took an unkown milage and hour motor and put it in a machine it wasn't even made for and it runs better, cooler more reliable than the three $10 to $12k dealer installed Deutz. The moral of the story is if you want something done right you have got to do it yourself. Also I feel I should say that Rayco has been as decent as they can be to me through all this. They won't go good for the engines but why should they They are not theirs. Deutz is the liars and cheaters in this game and they should get theirs so lets try to get together and see what we can do about at least forcing them to buy back the junk engines they have sold us. Thanks for letting me vent, Keep in touch.
I just Joined this site so I could let you all know that I have the same problems with my Rayco Deutz. The Deutz engines are junk Period. They arent much of a motor to begin with but in the crawler mower application its a joke. I have put a total of four 2011 Deutz engines in my Rayco C87l and they all failed the original engine made it 1400hrs then the next was 400 and the next was 192 and the next was 82. The dealer that was putting these in was grossly incompetent and I think they were doing something wrong but still the motors are junk. I have run the gammet with Deutz and they will lie dodge and avoid to not go good for these. One of my new engines came through with an oil switch missing and I ran it for a week or so and then brought it back because it wouldn run right. They figured that out and then about two months later it blew a hole in the block as I was plowing a camp road. Of course this is after they chased a non existant wiring problem for a week at $86/hr because they couldn't belive that the gauge was only showing 7lbs of pressure. like I said they aren't much for motors to begin with and when you add this paticular dealership to the equation you don't stand a chance. I mean, I literally have three of these motors at my shop that I paid $10K a piece for and they are junk. Boat anchors.
I think what is happening is the dealerships would actually like to go good for these but Deutz won't and then its either they pay on their own or not and the customer is left holding the bag.
Now let me tell you my solution. After junk engine number 4 I was completely broke. with the downtime and the repair cost it about ruined me. So I took a job for the winter just to put food on the table. Somebody had given me an old GMC NPR box truck and it had an Izusu 4BD1T motor. All mechanical. I spent nights and weekends re-engineering this start to finish. Now, as luck would have it this motor is a good fit fot the 87L / FTX90 because it runs at 3000 rpm but it has 116hp. I tood the Deutz bellhousing off one of my motors and had a machine shop fit it on to the Izusu engine and also take the pump spline receiver off the deutz flywheel and center it on the Flywheel of the new engine. Under $400 at a local machine shop. then slide it in and bolt it up. Even the front motor mounts are correct because they are on that Deutz bell houseing. Cut the old rayco motor mounts out of the rayco chasis. I had a fab guy come and build me some new motor mounts on site. $200. My machine is an 04 so it didn't have the high cool package but it did have limb risers so I just remoted the cooler up there. I used the deutz alternator because it had all my plug ins to run the rayco computer and tach. I spent about another $1000 on parts and paying a mechanic to wire it up because it was beyond me. the Air cleaner and exaust are on the outside of the cowling where they should be and I have a decent running machine for about $2K and I'm back in buisness. Its really kind of a joke. I mean I took an unkown milage and hour motor and put it in a machine it wasn't even made for and it runs better, cooler more reliable than the three $10 to $12k dealer installed Deutz. The moral of the story is if you want something done right you have got to do it yourself. Also I feel I should say that Rayco has been as decent as they can be to me through all this. They won't go good for the engines but why should they They are not theirs. Deutz is the liars and cheaters in this game and they should get theirs so lets try to get together and see what we can do about at least forcing them to buy back the junk engines they have sold us. Thanks for letting me vent, Keep in touch.
