Grousers on over tire tracks?

[IceHole]

I have a "cheap" set of over tire tracks (ott) on my S250.

Basically 2 chains with bent 1/2" plate "pads" running on the tires. I think 16 pads on each side. Pics here:

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Has worked great, way better than tires, aside from ice. Awesome in snow though. Machine is used to plow in winter, load logs on a firewood processor year round (muddy area... like instantly stuck without the tracks mud), etc.

Looking to add grousers of some kind to help with traction.

Was thinking 1/2" bolts with the end poking up, maybe 2 on 1 pad, 1 on the next? I'd probably just blow a hole with plasma cutter and weld the bolt vs expecting nuts to stay tight.

Or welding 1/2" rebar, 2 toward the edge, next pad 1 in the middle?... I've seen it done plenty on woods machines like feller bunchers and dozers.

Not too worried about how it does on hard ground, or pavement,, I take the tracks off if I'm dealing with that.

May end up buying a for real set of tracks in the future, but they are $$ and these work well.

 

[BC Placer gold]

Back in 2012 I bought a bunch of these 4” ‘corks’ good quality steel and not that expensive (could be sliced down to 2” pretty easy). I have used them for armouring mini-excavator buckets, between teeth/sidecutters etc. they stand up really well.

They also seem to weld up nicely.

Seems like the bolts (grade 8?) you are suggesting would make really good studs also.

May look at those tracks as our Deere 270 skid is useless in mud! Years ago we had a set of OTT for a Bobcat 763; worked great, but pretty small machine to ‘run’ them.

 

[IceHole]

Back in 2012 I bought a bunch of these 4” ‘corks’ good quality steel and not that expensive (could be sliced down to 2” pretty easy). I have used them for armouring mini-excavator buckets, between teeth/sidecutters etc. they stand up really well.

They also seem to weld up nicely.

Seems like the bolts (grade 8?) you are suggesting would make really good studs also.

May look at those tracks as our Deere 270 skid is useless in mud! Years ago we had a set of OTT for a Bobcat 763; worked great, but pretty small machine to ‘run’ them.

They sell grouser bars, but a stick of rebar, which is probably enough for both tracks, is $12. I might even have some laying around, can't remember if I kept it or threw it out when moving.

 

[Welder Dave]

I'd be worried they might get too much traction and be hard on the drive train. Especially on long wheelbase machines, the over the tire tracks have been known to take out axles. Usually when driving over something because it pulls the tracks too tight for the weight of the machine. Small grouser bar would probably work but I'd use longer pieces instead of little short pieces like ice corks on dozers. Improves traction without digging in too much.

 

[Welder Dave]

Drive chains could be another potential issue.

 

[IceHole]

Drive chains could be another potential issue.

Drive chains could be another potential issue.

They break, they break i guess.

OTT wouldn't exist if they constantly destroyed skid steers.

 

[Simon C]

I have used a Cat 236B skid steer that had over the tires track for over 2000 Hrs and the chains were still good. Of course the oils were changed on schedule and the tracks not kept too tight. Some other skid steers have broken chains that were small for size and broke with no tracks.
I have a 2022 Deere 332G with big chains and am planning to get a set of same exact tracks for work in soft conditions. They definitely do give you a large traction advantage over rubber tires.
Price is decent compared to Grouser brand or some other expensive ones such as Loegering and others.
Easy to put on once set up and not too heavy. Thanks for posting the supplier as I have been looking for a set for less than $2000 dollars.
Simon C

 

[IceHole]

I have used a Cat 236B skid steer that had over the tires track for over 2000 Hrs and the chains were still good. Of course the oils were changed on schedule and the tracks not kept too tight. Some other skid steers have broken chains that were small for size and broke with no tracks.
I have a 2022 Deere 332G with big chains and am planning to get a set of same exact tracks for work in soft conditions. They definitely do give you a large traction advantage over rubber tires.
Price is decent compared to Grouser brand or some other expensive ones such as Loegering and others.
Easy to put on once set up and not too heavy. Thanks for posting the supplier as I have been looking for a set for less than $2000 dollars.
Simon C

They are maybe 125lbs each, so not too hard to put them on or take off.

Takes maybe 1/2hr-45 mins to put on without racing the clock, probably could do it in half that with help.

I made a tensioner from a ratchet chain binder, helps a ton. They need to be pretty tight or just end up spinning the tires in them and that tears them up.

 

[Simon C]

The wheel bearings and chains on a Deere 332G are huge from what the dealer told me, and not known for ever breaking, not even adjusting from what I was told.
Will put on fairly tight as you said to prevent tires spinning inside of.
Grouser brand are more than $7000 from dealers the last time I checked, lots of money for low usage.
Grousers are very heavy also , not movable by hand hardly. I watched their video on assembly and usage and was satisfied. Grousers are amazing for pushing power but too much money even used, and have not found 1 set for my machines huge tires.
Thanks
Simon C

 

[Welder Dave]

A Mustang dealer here had a lot of problems with OTT's on the larger skid steers with a long wheel base. You'd certainly want to be more careful when using them than with only tires.

 

[IceHole]

The wheel bearings and chains on a Deere 332G are huge from what the dealer told me, and not known for ever breaking, not even adjusting from what I was told.
Will put on fairly tight as you said to prevent tires spinning inside of.
Grouser brand are more than $7000 from dealers the last time I checked, lots of money for low usage.
Grousers are very heavy also , not movable by hand hardly. I watched their video on assembly and usage and was satisfied. Grousers are amazing for pushing power but too much money even used, and have not found 1 set for my machines huge tires.
Thanks
Simon C

Around $4500 for Grouser tracks.

 

[CM1995]

We ran Grouser OTT's on 843's, 853's and 863's from the mid '80's until 2003 when we bought our first CTL. Never had any issues on any of those machines. The OTT's went on in November and came off in April every year.

The only PITA was getting a flat. This was before all the tire sealant compounds were on the market. Once we foamed filled a set and ran the OTT's...man that was a mistake. Destroyed that set of tires quickly.

The nice thing about the Grousers are they were rebuildable. Built up many a set with 1/2 re-bar and changed the dog bones out in one set. Changing the dog bones out was a tedious task but made them almost like new again.

 

[BC Placer gold]

Around $4500 for Grouser tracks.

So around $6000 Canadian. Just curious about the price of the tracks in your photo (if it’s okay to ask; if not, no problem).

 

[IceHole]

So around $6000 Canadian. Just curious about the price of the tracks in your photo (if it’s okay to ask; if not, no problem).

$1500 maybe. Been a while

 

[BC Placer gold]

$1500 maybe. Been a while

Thanks! sounds like a fair price.

 

[Ridinhigh1500]

When I worked at a CAT dealer and then Bobcat the only problem I ever really saw was the tire wear. Most people put them on and never take them off so when you do try it's a nightmare.

 

[Simon C]

What brand out of curiosity, are those tracks with pads on that nice green painted Cat.
Looks pretty good.
Simon C

 

[Ridinhigh1500]

I got to ask my buddies that still work at CAT. It was one of the machines we did for CAT defense to send to the sea bees.

 

[KSSS]

I ran loegering tracks on 95Xt's and 465 Case machines. Never had an issue, but those machines were massively built. You could do a lot a work with those tracks on. As CM1995 said, getting a flat really sucks. The Loegering tracks I had were called Trail Blazers, the grousers were like 3" with traction bars on top of that. It gave the machine some floatation as well as traction. Worked very well.

 

[IceHole]

I found some 3/4" rebar in the yard, so thinking of using that.

Thinking of just 1 piece across the length, to help keep it from bending