Marine diesel

[Tones]

And I thought only International Harvester made the only Gas Diesel engine.
Have you got a hankering for long boating Nige

 

[Tones]

https://images.app.goo.gl/pw2MHVQmKNUa8WBT9
I have only seen 2 of these engines. The first was at a sewerage treatment plant driving a generator and ran on methane from the sewerage. The second was years later but a diesel driving a stage pump on a sand fill. It had been in a tug boat somewhere and was pretty buggered when I saw it and was burning 44imp gals of engine oil in 12 hours.

 

[lantraxco]

Gray Marine was associated with many manufacturers, including Chrysler, all they did was build the wet manifolds and "marinized" Industrial or automotive engines for use in boats.

 

[DMiller]

Gray Marine was associated with many manufacturers, including Chrysler, all they did was build the wet manifolds and "marinized" Industrial or automotive engines for use in boats.

pretty well as Mercruiser or OMC
Relabeled engines with their brand name built by others.

 

[Nige]

Have you got a hankering for long boating Nige

Not really, just an interest in engines generally. Living next to the sea means an interest in things maritime is never far away either.
I came across that MAN video by accident, but after watching it all sorts of others popped up which led me to the Dutch guy's YouTube channel. Then that got me to thinking about Gardners because I bet few on the other side of the pond have even heard of them. That led me to another Youtube channel.......... https://www.youtube.com/user/tangentgardner/videos

 

[Nige]

https://images.app.goo.gl/pw2MHVQmKNUa8WBT9
I have only seen 2 of these engines. The first was at a sewerage treatment plant driving a generator and ran on methane from the sewerage. The second was years later but a diesel driving a stage pump on a sand fill. It had been in a tug boat somewhere and was pretty buggered when I saw it and was burning 44imp gals of engine oil in 12 hours.

Like many other engineering companies of the day McLaren started life building steam-powered equipment. I've seen a fair few of their traction engines around at steam rallies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J&H_McLaren_&_Co.

 

[Tugger2]

There used to be lots of guys running Gardiners in fishboats here. They were a highly respected engine amongst guys on the coast.

 

[Nige]

The man who can break a Gardner could also break an iron bar IMO.

 

[John C.]

I was in A school to be an engiineman in the USN in 74 and got to see and hear some of those moderate size marine diesels. We started learning about the 6-71 and they showed us the others that that could be run for each school they had. Waukesha, Packard, Fairbanks Morse, GM 8-268 and 3-278. There were more but that was a long time ago. The most interesting to me were the direct reversibles.

I ended up on a ship with 2 ea. 38ND8 1/8 Fairbanks 1000 KW gen-sets, 4 boats with two variations of 6-71s and a motor whale boat with a Westerbeke. I have been fascinated ever since by the engineering of the floating diesels.

 

[bccat]

I was in A school to be an engiineman in the USN in 74 and got to see and hear some of those moderate size marine diesels. We started learning about the 6-71 and they showed us the others that that could be run for each school they had. Waukesha, Packard, Fairbanks Morse, GM 8-268 and 3-278. There were more but that was a long time ago. The most interesting to me were the direct reversibles.

I ended up on a ship with 2 ea. 38ND8 1/8 Fairbanks 1000 KW gen-sets, 4 boats with two variations of 6-71s and a motor whale boat with a Westerbeke. I have been fascinated ever since by the engineering of the floating diesels.

Me also, Went to a Diesel School in Vancouver B C in 1969, worked on a lot of different engines, union,Cleveland, cat,Cummins, Gardner, even had a 1-71 GM marine unit, my favourite was a Enterprise direct reversible diesel which slid the camshaft, great time, I often wonder what happened to all those engines

 

[Nige]

Like this one you mean.? I imagine that it was always a bit nerve-racking whether it was going to re-start or not when going from ahead to astern or vice versa while manouevring in a harbour.

 

[John C.]

It always amazes me when I see those things shift from one direction to the other and then back again. There were a couple of tug boats that worked the navy piers in Norfolk that I'm told were direct reversible. You could hear the engines stop and then the air hit when they went to restart in the other direction.

 

[skyking1]

there were a couple of minesweepers in Tacoma with those setups. Wooden hulled to minimize magnetic signature, and those air start reversibles.
The Waukesha on the diesel electric derrick was air start. Fire up a jimmy genset to make air first.
Starter and piping in lower center, 1200 RPM 40Kw jimmy behind it.

 

[bccat]

Like this one you mean.? I imagine that it was always a bit nerve-racking whether it was going to re-start or not when going from ahead to astern or vice versa while manouevring in a harbour.

You bet, I think I have a picture of it. When the instructor showed us how it worked it was a quite a procedure it scared the s$$t out of us, after all these yrs I still remember it. It really made a real impression on me.

 

[Tugger2]

I bought a bunch of used floats and piling years ago in Blaine. We met the pile driving contractor one night on the dock to take lines from his rig. The tug he was was running had a direct reversivng engine with wheel house controls . He came right up to the dock, silence for a bit then backed down on the barge perfectly. All in the timing i guess.
Closest thing i have run to that was a boat with a capital gear in it, had about the same lag as direct reversing.

 

[lantraxco]

I worked a tug for a while, one skipper told me about a direct reversible. Six air starters, three in each direction, and if you were working tight, with a hot engine, and the air ran low.... good times.

He had also worked a tug with electric drive, which was great as long as you could keep it relatively dry.

We just had CAT 399's with Reintjes mechanical gears, plain vanilla.

 

[DMiller]

Man I could only wish to have worked one of these!!
Completed Ranken Tech in 1975, 10 Month Crash Course on Diesel and Gas Engines some drive train theory and competency classes, a lot on what soon became obsolete electrical, some Gas Welding a taste of stick welding and Out The DOOR!! First Shop Flat Rate.

 

[AllDodge]

Was on the USS Burton Island WAGB-283 Icebreaker until a year before Decom in 1978. Had 6xFairbanks Morse opposed piston engines. Was sure loud when running. Slow mover and rocked like a bath tub with a round hull

 

[Truck Shop]

A boat/ship or what ever----------you should be able to walk from bow to stern and step off on land no mater where it is in the ocean.

 

[John C.]

Ships are made to float, boats are made to sink.

There is a sub in Portland, Oregon called the Blueback, I think,you can take a tour of. I believe it was one of the last diesel boats in the fleet. It had either two or four Fairbanks 8 1/8 gensents. As I recall, the Fairbanks at the school I went to in Chicago was a direct reversible. Most all of that stuff went to the scrapper years ago.