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DM&RDBulldog

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Why not one of the 1200h SY500’s? for 230ish….seems a huge savings over $400k

1200h (to me at least…) seems very low hours

Thats the most attractive right now, condition dependent of course. Once I get eyes on both the rentals for sale ill make that final decision. In a perfect world id love to get a 1200 hour machine with 3800hr/3yr still under warranty and haggle down to 200k.

In the meantime I will wait and see if anyone possibly from Asia or Europe with experience chimes in. SANY isnt anything new from that part of the world.
 

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Solid advice. Right now, that is the plan. Work out a purchase deal with a rent to own built in so I can log a few hundred hours on it as a test. I do see what you mean about holding value as the used 2023 they have with 1200 hours is almost half price of new.

On the crane side of SANY, how are they holding up 8,000hr and beyond? Hydraulics, undercarriage, and electronics all living about the same lifespan as the more established brands?
What happens with most of the sany cranes is this: they get purchased for a project, because they are so cheap compared to first world equipment. Bean counters see dollars saved.

Half way through the project, there's usually problems, and the job isn't happy with the cheap crane. They rent something else, or baby it to the end of the project ( typically 1 year or less).

They go to unload it at the end of the project, and it sells for little of nothing, mostly going back to a third world buyer. Because no one wants it domestically.

In the crane work, the liability is so large, no one wants to take a used crane from questionable quality control, and push it to chart. It's just not worth the risk.

No way would I want to count on a sany for a six year project. If this was a road bridge build or wind farm 6 month to one year, I guess if that's a risk you want to take- it wouldn't be my choice.

They don't use them in China for six years. They use them for a year or two and send them to bangledesh or Africa.

The first two years might be okay, but I think it's going to be a heap of **** for the last 3-4 years of your project.
 

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They don't use them in China for six years. They use them for a year or two and send them to bangledesh or Africa.

The first two years might be okay, but I think it's going to be a heap of **** for the last 3-4 years of your project.

Same reason the resale value here in the good ol' US of A on a machine a few years old with 1200 hours on it being $200K cheaper than a new one.

Equipment Share came into our market with a fleet of Sany excavators from mini's to 80K'ders. Now they have replaced the Sany's for the most part with Linkbelt, Case and Doosan machines. No idea of the reason for the brand change just what I've seen.
 

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The first two years might be okay, but I think it's going to be a heap of **** for the last 3-4 years of your project.

This project must have a pretty low margin if he's so concerned about saving $100k on a machine that is planned to be used up in 6 years.

In my world, if I had a job that was going to last 6 years, and I was going to put TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED hours per year on a 50 ton hoe, IF I was worried about the bottom line that close, I'd either be rethinking the job, or reevaluating if this was the right machine for the job. A 50 ton hoe *here* should generate a barest minimum of $400 per operating hour. If it makes 80% operating time on 15k hours, it should clear over $3 million. This is sounding more and more like a low-ball bid, and now trying to salvage every morsel of meat attainable.
 

DM&RDBulldog

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What happens with most of the sany cranes is this: they get purchased for a project, because they are so cheap compared to first world equipment. Bean counters see dollars saved.

Half way through the project, there's usually problems, and the job isn't happy with the cheap crane. They rent something else, or baby it to the end of the project ( typically 1 year or less).

They go to unload it at the end of the project, and it sells for little of nothing, mostly going back to a third world buyer. Because no one wants it domestically.

In the crane work, the liability is so large, no one wants to take a used crane from questionable quality control, and push it to chart. It's just not worth the risk.

No way would I want to count on a sany for a six year project. If this was a road bridge build or wind farm 6 month to one year, I guess if that's a risk you want to take- it wouldn't be my choice.

They don't use them in China for six years. They use them for a year or two and send them to bangledesh or Africa.

The first two years might be okay, but I think it's going to be a heap of **** for the last 3-4 years of your project.

Thank you.
 

DM&RDBulldog

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I do get the point being made here and appreciate the discussion and contributions in whatever form that comes. If it makes anyone feel better, im working my own land that is paid off. I have a contract with a large aggregate company and they will take as little or as much as I can extract legally in the 6 years my permit is good for. I can always renew the permit as ive already settled that with DEM and the local town council.

I have three 30 ton and one 50 ton loading out 9 or more tridems per hour. Three of the four machines I have right now are from the early to mid 90s and just that much slower than a new machine in this environment. I dont need a new 50 ton to keep from starving, thats why im looking at a cheap brand that could fit the bill even if it gets half the life of an established name brand.
 

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I dont need a new 50 ton to keep from starving, thats why im looking at a cheap brand that could fit the bill even if it gets half the life of an established name brand.
If it only gets half the life, and costs 85% of a good machine, that doesn't seem like a gamble worth taking in my mind.

A name brand machine with 15k hours might still be worth $100k in 6 years. That Sany (if it lives that long)you will give away, and probably spend twice as much to keep it going if it does.
 

DM&RDBulldog

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If it only gets half the life, and costs 85% of a good machine, that doesn't seem like a gamble worth taking in my mind.

A name brand machine with 15k hours might still be worth $100k in 6 years. That Sany (if it lives that long)you will give away, and probably spend twice as much to keep it going if it does.

Thats why my original question is to actual owner/operators. Its been a decent discussion so far but by majority just opinions and speculation with no first-hand experience. My local SANY dealer put me in touch with one customer who has over 9,000hrs on an SY305 excavator and 7,000hrs on an FEL, not sure the model. Thats the only first hand owner/operator ive consulted so far. Theyve had good service from the machines so far.

As of now I can get a brand new SY500 for 65% of any well established brand ive shopped. The used SY500 models are 50% and I have not even negotiated that deal lower yet. The pricing is very attractive and almost throw away justified if things dont pan out.
 

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Wouldn't a wheel loader be much faster for loading trucks even if the existing excavators stockpiled the material?

Faster from a stockpile yes, but then I have two machines, two operators, and handling material twice. Its most efficient just handling the material once from the initial excavation right into the truck. Majority of the site is sand and gravel with small amount of blasted ledge. Pretty much all loose material and the excavators are loading 21-24 tons in a tridem every 6-10 minutes.

Only time I send the wheel loader is if we work late excavating without hauling and have a few heaps in the morning.
 

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If you’re only loading out material into trucks then I’d take the gamble, it’s light work. Keep it well maintained and nail your guys if they abuse it. Go for it and keep us updated on how she performs.
 

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Pretty much all loose material and the excavators are loading 21-24 tons in a tridem every 6-10 minutes.

Must have missed some other details upthread but if you're only loading a tri-axle every 6-10 minutes then why a 50 ton? Is the material that difficult to dig?

We regularly load out 25 tons on tri-axles with 2 - 30 ton machines. They could easily keep up with a truck every 6-10 minutes however they are both Cat's. :)
 

DM&RDBulldog

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Must have missed some other details upthread but if you're only loading a tri-axle every 6-10 minutes then why a 50 ton? Is the material that difficult to dig?

We regularly load out 25 tons on tri-axles with 2 - 30 ton machines. They could easily keep up with a truck every 6-10 minutes however they are both Cat's. :)

From what ive seen from my own machines and crunching the numbers, a 50 ton in the ME configuration should be the best fit.

Right now we are working an old quarry that only extracted the ledge and wasnt able to get permits to extract the sand/gravel. The previous owner set up processing on top of roughly 20 acres of sand/gravel so the top layer is fairly packed, thats why we are averaging 6-10 minutes per truck. When below that layer ive seen my mid 90s EX550 with 4.5yd bucket load trucks in under 4 min consistently. My new CX350 with 3.5yd bucket is almost as fast so I figure a new 50 ton with 6yd bucket should do it. The 3.5yd bucket is pushing it a bit much and im going to drop it back to the 2.3yd bucket.

After we clear the open ground we will move into 130+ acres of virgin ground thats shown to be primarily sand and 6- gravel. My 90s 30 ton machines will clear this land as my 90s 50 ton and new 30 ton excavate behind them. Another 50 ton machine seems like a good fit and then if needed my new 30 ton can join the clearing work.

Most of my machines start with a C if you want to give me credit for that;) Ive never owned a CAT though, out of my price range when I started in 1998 and still out of my price range today.
 
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My cousin is the shop manager at my sany dealership, I will see what he has for input.

I am not playing on your guys scale but I think cat is getting a little carried away with their pricing. Before I bought my sy35 I had cat quote me for a 304 it was $70k no bells, extra to get the warranty up to 2500 W/travel. My Sy35 was $42,500 2 buckets 5 year/5000 warranty with travel included, I put Trimble 2D w/laser catcher and was still under cats price.

I bought a 2021 cat 259D3 for 0% financing $60K ,priced a 2025 255 with about 5K worth of upgrades 0% financing $94k all of this before tax
 

DM&RDBulldog

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Ironed out a rent to own deal for two used SANY SY500H for $380k delivered. One has a little over 1300hrs and the other a little under 900hrs. Both have 2 years left on the warranty and over 3500hrs. Feel free to rough me up further, I just cant pass on this price for two lightly used machines. I have them rented until the beginning of 2026 and if im satisfied will purchase, if not will return and pay for rental per our deal.

They will be delivered to me late next week. I did get seat time in both units and was able to pull a few buckets with one. Both come with a 72" 3.9yd bucket. Not the fastest cycle times compared to other brands ive tested but again for the price I cant complain right now. Pretty simple machine with obvious lower quality on the inside but looks good on the outside. Nice welds and paint is holding up in areas the previous renters scuffed and scratched.

I was intending on a larger bucket (5.7yd) but I dont see this machine pulling that bucket through even loose sand fast enough to justify. I will update again after they are both working.

Thanks for the conversation so far.
 
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