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Unions.... What is your thoughts on them?

Cat420

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That's good to hear. I had gotten a book from the library that said it was a study guide for the mechanical aptitude test and one question said to identify the hammer and it had pictures of a hammer, wrench, screwdriver, and something else. I thought "this can't be right, I'd have to be a moron to get it wrong", but I guess that's exactly who they want to get rid of.
 

kamerad47

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I don't want to be a downer But you probably have a better chance at winning the lottery!!!! Now if you were a woman !!!! you be hirer tomorrow!
 
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Dear alexkcl, The best way to get into Local 150 is to go out to the training site and fill out an application. The site is located at Webber Road and Airport Road in Plainfeild Illinois. If you let me know where you are coming from I can get you better directions. If you have any experience running equipment it will help you because they take you out on the equipment and see if you have the ability to run equipment before you are accepted to the program. If you let me know what area you live in I can let you know what district you live in and you could go into you dictrict union hall and talk to one of the Buisness Agents. I would be glad to answer any questions you have. Just send me a private message.
 

chipsearthworks

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chipsearthworks said:
honestly if you have any and i do mean any common sense you will have know problem what so ever. At least with the one i took for local 478 in ct it was question like if you had a 40ft tall tank and two 20 ft tall tanks which will hold the most or are they the same well i think we can all figure out the answer. mine had questions like that. Another one that comes to mind is two guys are carrying a board over there shoulders and there is a rock will say on that board and it is closer to the guy in the front the question is who is carrying more weight the guy in the back or the guy in the front with the rock right behind him. I think again we can figure out the answer.


But like i said before if you have common sense you will do fine. At least this is the one i took in ct so yours might be diffrent.

Well update I did not make it, They do not tell you why they just send you a letter stating thanks but try next year, :crying :crying Oh well i guess i will try next year again. :usa

Might go to school to become a truck driver or maybe to become a mechanic have not decided yet.
 

farmerted44

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cant beat union training.
arizona is a right to work state so union is week here.
i would have loved to have gone thru their apprentice ship .
i was accepted back in the late 80 s . decided i knew it all already .lol ya know 20 years old knew everything.lol :) lol
i work non union but again the training the union gives you is second to none.
 

FRodriguez

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:usa This " Border Jumper " Is Educated ... and served this Country 9/11 and Iraq.... You Choose not to work hard ... We just seem like we we work hard when compared to a Lazy ass
 

mikef87

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My company is union and we work hard and do what it takes to get the job done. I compete against a non-union company for site work and utilities a lot and they cut my price in half due to the fact they don't pay prevailing wage and screw with their employees paychecks. Union companies don't do that. If my guys work 12 hours they get a check for 12 hours. Union is the way to get all the big work is union work.
 

digger242j

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Before this gets out of hand...

I'm sure that no reasonable person is going to advocate that anybody come to America as an illegal immigrant.

The subject of illegal aliens is a hot-button issue for many people these days, and how it should be dealt with makes for many spirited discussions--none of which need to take place here on HEF.

That having been said, I suspect that FRodriguez is reacting to the perception that many people presume that anyone of Hispanic origin is here illegally. We all know that isn't true--many people with Hispanic roots have migrated here legally, and many have been born here. That's why it's dangerous to pre-judge any individual based on ethnic information alone--unless you know that individual, you have a good chance of being in the wrong.

"Border jumper" is an unfortunate choice of terms, and as can be seen, perpetuates misunderstanding.

And this is a good opportunity to remind everyone, that unless all of your ancestors were here sometime prior to 1492, you (meaning any American reading this), are descended of immigrants.

America has long been known as the "land of opportunity", but anyone that has chosen to come here and take advantage of that opportunity has done so knowing, that to realize that opportunity, hard work is required. I fear that many who've been born to the priviledge of living here, somehow missed that important point. Today's immigrants recognize it, just as our ancestors recognized it--as fact. We had best not forget it.

Now, if anyone wishes to continue the discussion by advocating lazieness, carry on...
 
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Sled Puller

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Yes, Border Jumper was a poor choice of words, as was "THIS" country, implying that even though he served the US military, it was still not "HIS" country, and "we" I suspect means Hispanic, once again drawing a line.

The USA is the land of opportunity for all races. The reason this country has worked so well, is when someone immigrates, they learned the language, and BECAME Americans, not hyphenated-Americans.

I have worked with all races. Hard working or lazy comes in all shapes, sizes, or colors.:usa
 

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In Reality I was born and raise State side .. My parents came the little island of cuba in 1959. My Grandfather did Hydralic work on the side of the road getting jobs in broken english. That is what has Sparked a Flame to become an Operator :) , I do appoligize for going off the deep end there. Oh and I was Air Force :) :usa :drinkup
 

Sled Puller

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Shoot, your as American as the rest of us.
You're not a rogue Mexican bandit numbering in the millions storming across the Rio Grande and demanding health care and Social Security checks!
 

FRodriguez

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LOL No Way .... Iam here to Be an American .... if I want to be cuban I pretty sure it alot easier getting into Cuba. Yea I Speak Spanish ... it dosent mean I want everyone in the ENGLISH Speaking country to have too... And another Thought When Mexicans Cross the border ,,, why are they leaving a Country in which they can make changes in. Cuba ... They just Shoot,beat,mame, torcher and of ofcourse Strave.
 

Dozer575

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Unions!

Partly good and Partly bad.

The only thing that I don't like is if I joined the local operators union, if I buy my own machine and start a business, then I have to hire an operator from the union to operate it. If I have 2 machines then I can run one. But still have to hire someone and pay them the going rate which is depending on machine size about $33/hour plus the benifit package and state L&I etc etc.probably comes to about $50 or more for the business owner.
On the plus side, if you are in the union and have 5 years on the job you have at that point $2000/month retirement, more years more money.
And an appretice starts at $18/hour. Now we see why these freeway jobs drag on and no ones in a hurry to get it done.
 

FRodriguez

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The thing that bugs me is that my union dues will go to canidates that I do not support ... and they for some reason dont really stand for the Moral and Ethical Beliefs that were the founding principal of this country. Quite sad but i have a Family to support and I dont really know anyone other than family here in missouri.
 

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That would be great but belive it or not I have applyed to numrous companines and got the same answer from all of them "YOU NEED EXPERINCE" well now how the hell do I get the experince if No one will give me the chance and hire me. Its like you need experince to get the job but they will not give you the job with out experince. :spaz :spaz

the age old problem
 

RollOver Pete

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The thing that bugs me is that my union dues will go to canidates that I do not support ... and they for some reason dont really stand for the Moral and Ethical Beliefs that were the founding principal of this country. Quite sad but i have a Family to support and I dont really know anyone other than family here in missouri.

So....
Your union dues is also the reason you will make more money.
Sure, there are some non union company's that are willing to pay at or above union scale. But the majority pay @ 50% of union scale.
The bottom line....and all B.S. aside, if you go out to a union job, do the best job you can, keep your mouth shut and don't worry about where your dues money goes.
How can I say this, being a IUOE Local 12 member myself?

No body wants to hear the whining on a job.

There are many things that don't seem right, and many things that you wont agree with. I know it seems wrong, but the more you stir the pot, the more it stinks..... so now, you sit home.

Just worry about yourself, your job and your family.
Those are the only things you can change....
and the only things that really matter.

Like I said above, I an an operating engineer and have paid dues since 1986.
Early on, I learned not to stir the pot.
I went to the wazoo general membership meetings, and did as everyone else did for the first few years.
Then I asked a question at one of these wazoo membership meetings.....
and was quietly escorted outside. Long story.....but I stirred the pot and it stank. I've never been back to a wazoo meeting since.
Now, I dont feel the need to get involved in the politics and such of the Union. I have not the time or energy to waste.
I worry about #1.....Me. Thats all. I pay my dues once a year, get some stickers, pins, and a calender and go about doing my thing.

Working Union is and has been great to me. But you need to remember, your brother operator will be the first one to stab you in the back. Those things happen.....thats the only way some of them can keep a job.
Remember, always look out for # 1....

Some way, some how, I've been blessed when it comes to work.
The reason I have always worked is "Me".
Not the Local. Sure they have found me a few jobs. I've found some of my own jobs. Sure, its a no no..... So what? I look out for #1.

I landed a job 8 years ago with a awesome union co.
I give 110% and then some, and they take care of me... and then some.:D
They pay me my union wage but anything above and beyond that is their and my business. Not the locals, not anyone else's.
I have built a strong working relationship with the people I work for.
I always look out for their best interest. They do the same for me.
They know that when I came to work for them, it wasn't to make friends.
It was to make money.
And if something goes wrong, they trust my judgment and ability to handle the problem.


So like anything else, unions have pros and cons.
Learn every thing you can.
Learn every day.
Expect the best....dont settle for anything less...
And, always look out for #1!
:cool2
 

FRodriguez

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Thank you :) Iam a hard worker and the only people I care about is me and my Familyand I Agree 112% ;) with ya. It is encouraging to hear form Union member say it how it is ... Agin Thank you all ... The information I have Garnerd from this site and the situations Ive read about will surely help me avoid the Pile I would have steped in. Greatly appreciated ....... I do Have a question though ... What Material could I read or do ... to prepare me for the Apprenticeship or the rest of my Career ...any sugestions would be helpful ... Thank and God Bless.
 
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