chris berlin
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Well as long as the roadbed is OK and the speed is limited not a problem. They moved Steam shovel weighing in at 60 tons on standard flat cars on 3 foot gauge railroads..even logging RR...
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Yarder moved by rail...
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Nige
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chris berlin
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digger doug
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How about this one in the UK ?
Oopsie.......
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Nige
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That was 70012 that was dropped in Newport docks when it was being lifted off the ship that brought it from the US. Either that or the MAFI was dropped, one or the other. It was subsequently written off and shipped back to GE in the US. The shipping line’s insurance paid for the losses.
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Welder Dave
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Expensive mistake! It had to be scary having a locomotive "drop".
Jumbo
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If I'm not mistaken, I've seen the video of the drop. It only dropped as I recall about 5 feet but what a bang and what a cloud of dust. The video I saw made mention that it was going to be loaded up and sent straight to the scrappers since it had beccome an insurance claim.
Check your riggin' boys and girls.
Nige
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The reports were that it was dropped between 4 & 5 metres as a result of a rigging failure. I don't think it was caught on video because it apparently happened inside the hold of the ship.
It was sent back to GE in the US, rebuilt using a replacement chassis and thereafter used as a test hack.
Jumbo
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The one I saw was dropped on the dock, so it was another rigging failure.
Nige
Senior Member
You mean this one.? That happened in South Africa. IIRC the loco was an Australian-built GE.
Welder Dave
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You would think they'd use oversize rigging picking up a locomotive.
Jumbo
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that looks about right.
digger doug
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I hear that the only rigging allowed is wire rope, and the idiots use the nylon straps.
Welder Dave
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If the crane operators or riggers use the wrong rigging, they should be on the hook for any damages.
Nige
Senior Member
Nothing wrong IMO with nylon slings provided they are properly maintained and of a suitable SWL for whatever is being lifted. Personally I prefer them, they are far easier to handle than either wires or chains.
TBH I have never heard of any equipment manufacturer insisting that a certain type of lifting gear must be used to lift their equipment, usually the word used is either "suitable" or "adequate". Normally the only thing the OEM specifies is indicating which are the lifting points from which the machine has to be suspended, and clearly indicating the difference between lifting and tie-down points. Deviate from that at your peril.....
chris berlin
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Well the legality/responsibility starts with the Heavy Haul/Lift company hired...Starting with the Project Manager, Project engineer Job superintendent Transport Superintendent...Lift Superintendent...Rigging Superintendent..Rigger...and the Crane operator ! They are at the bottom of the pile...and on heavy lift jobs there is a detailed rigging plan specifying in detail what gear is used and what gear may be substituted . As a Captain I was involved in a few heavy lifts shore to ship , ship to shore...everything is checked and signed off by someone. a REQUIREMENT from the insurance, ABS, The Shipping Company, and a few more....
Welder Dave
Senior Member
Wonder what caused the rigging to fail and who's to blame? I did a job and needed the skid steer in the basement of a church. Mammoet had a huge crane there to lift HVAC units on the roof. Needed the long reach. I had an unexpected delay getting to the job site. The crane was still there and right beside where the skid steer had to be lowered. They asked the weight and I said about 4800lbs. They thought about it but declined the lift because they had already signed off on the job. I'm sure the crane would barely notice a skid steer being so close but respect their professionalism. A smaller 25 or 30 ton crane came the next day to lower it.
chris berlin
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Well, there you have it ! As far as liability is concerned once the lift is signed off everything else is not covered by liability insurance !
skyking1
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That was a two crane operation, and it was looking quite sporty from my experience with two crane operations. We go REALLY slow and the lift director has somebody on both slings making sure all is plumb all the time.
It takes just a little side loading and you get off your softeners, the forces go up quickly, Things like that happen. Note how fast the second sling failed from the shock load. They were not long on rigging.
Baskets are great because you don't have to concern yourself with the integrity of points, but the softening procedures and materials are crucial. One booboo there will slice either wire rope or nylon.
Back in my youth, we set up manufactured homes and they had a "failure to communicate" how much softener you needed on a wire rope sling. I was not there to see them slice through the double 2x10 fir rim and 8' through the subfloor and walls, but I did see the aftermath.
The crane op and rigger really should have known a big piece of angle iron with a radius pipe was required there. Maybe they set it and it fell away. Who knows. The factory came out and rebuilt that part of the house on the basement foundation.
It takes just a little side loading and you get off your softeners, the forces go up quickly, Things like that happen. Note how fast the second sling failed from the shock load. They were not long on rigging.
Baskets are great because you don't have to concern yourself with the integrity of points, but the softening procedures and materials are crucial. One booboo there will slice either wire rope or nylon.
Back in my youth, we set up manufactured homes and they had a "failure to communicate" how much softener you needed on a wire rope sling. I was not there to see them slice through the double 2x10 fir rim and 8' through the subfloor and walls, but I did see the aftermath.
The crane op and rigger really should have known a big piece of angle iron with a radius pipe was required there. Maybe they set it and it fell away. Who knows. The factory came out and rebuilt that part of the house on the basement foundation.
Truck Shop
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Management overkill, top heavy, things get lost, and there is always someone marching around
making sure they have pi$$ed in all the corners marking their territory. Right or wrong it travels
through every business major or not.