Was a farm foreman and shop forman for the same rice/walnut farm for 15 years, climbed the ladder up to $25/hr was it enough? no but some of these guys cant compete with the bigger farms/companies wages... tractor operators were making $21... I was putting in all the hours, did everything but sign the paychecks... finally realized that i wasnt valued for what i was putting out and they "couldnt" afford to pay more, seen dozens of workers come in for a week just to leave after we / I invested time in training them, So I have seen it from both sides. the young guys "most of them" granted i'm a young guy but i say I was born in the wrong era bused my ass every day to do my job the best I could, isnt the case for the workers we were getting. So you know what I did? Changed the channel, invested in myself, bought a service truck and took the bull by the horns, i never complained about pay, just did my job. like it was said here above, the ones who complain about pay also scoffed and whined if they were asked to do anything more than sit in a cab or to check their equipment. Its a people problem, not being taught good work ethic or just keep your nose to the grindstone.